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you're in the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio and now

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here's gene Steinberg with gene and

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Chris were back on the power cast Chris

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however is not at his home studio he is

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in New Mexico on a secret voyage no it's

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not so super to tell you about in a few

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minutes you know I want to start this

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discussion and related to last week's

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great debate with Kevin Randle and Scott

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Ramsey over the Aztek crash I want to

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make a few observations and then Chris

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will chime in with his and that is no I

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grew up in a small town called Brooklyn

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New York with about two and a half or

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three million people but Aztec New

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Mexico today has what 65 66 hundred

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people in small-town America especially

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during the 40s and 50s everybody knew

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everybody the local newspaper had all

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the stuff that's going on the births the

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marriages everything else so now just

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imagine now that in March of 1948 a

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flying saucer lands or crash lands in a

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nearby area called Hart Canyon some

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people see it but then the military

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convoys come in they build these one or

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more concrete slabs we know of one of

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them and they caught this thing away and

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you know who knows about this in 1948

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and 1949 nobody this happened under

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their sight there was no word about the

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presence of the military no word about a

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UFO crash everything about this case

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appears to begin with a 1950 book called

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behind the flying saucers by Frank

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Scully now this isn't to say that Scott

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Ramsey hasn't found people or people who

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knew people who claimed to have seen

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this flying saucer a spaceship or

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whatever it was but as Kevin Randall

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pointed out during the interview the key

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issue here is that the record doesn't

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predate the Scully book which possibly

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polluted the information pool the local

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newspaper had nothing about it

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now Ramsey says this newspaper was kind

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of like a shop or you know local

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merchants and ads and everything but I

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assure you if anything that important

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occurred any local newspaper I know

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about would have something about it and

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they didn't what's your take on this

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episode is do we have any evidence that

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predates the Scully book and that that

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to me is really important for the

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Ramseys to establish something anything

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some sort of evidence chain that goes

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it and I think until they do that it's

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standstill interpreters of any sort of

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ascertaining mean with reality of the

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Aztec crash but to be honest with you

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Jean I've always whenever I heard a

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stick over the last 25 years however

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long I've been interested in this

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subject I I'll always it had the feeling

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that there was really nothing to it

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compelling evidence to suggest that

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something happened but again until we

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couldn't really determine some sort of

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evidence prior to the study book I think

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it what can I say this is one of those

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problems where we can be talking until

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the end of time and we're dealing with

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an event that happened 65 years ago yeah

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the alarm bells are rung so what does

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possible to cover it up in a way that

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really difficult for something major

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of word get out you know you have just

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these rumors and reports and and other

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things as well to talk about later here

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on the show but again I think would be

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almost impossible for something that big

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surroundings and things that are going

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on so is there a point where someone

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like a Scott Ramsey has to say well this

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is the best I can do and we can't go any

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the case but to resurrect the reputation

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that there is no credibility whatever

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that you can attach to this case what

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the photographs and that the government

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got involved I think that's very

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try to dig into that particular scenario

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of the guy offering to sell photographs

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feel that there's enough resolution on

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how that story played out and it be

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information if they could somehow dig it

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able to prove now it was a very

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it was a balloon but there was coverage

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whatever it is an event occurred

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Frank Scully's book so there you go i

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Kris is just gone as a matter of fact I

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whatever the heck it was

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as I can see it's pretty cold and at the

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same time though it's not as if the

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make money because as far as I can tell

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businessperson he doesn't need the money

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dollars to investigate Aztec he'll never

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get that money back clearly he had money

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to burn clearly he didn't feel the loss

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of that money clearly he's dedicated to

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path maybe he'll come up with something

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I'm just skeptical but I also am

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concerned about people who think he's

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being deceptive who think he is slippery

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as an eel now he knows his stuff well I

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can't see that he's being deceitful yeah

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you've got it I don't think that you can

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in all fairness question his motivations

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subject and has done a really good job

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at least uncovering the amount of

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amazing amount of information that he

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until we can s he keeps it sound like a

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something anything prior to the

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oh this is gonna be a fascinating

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interview now you're surrounded by some

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of the most gruesome photographs I've

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amazing evidence physical evidence found

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at mutilation sites so this could be a

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very interesting show today gene okay so

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we have Greg Valdez and he is the son of

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Gabe Valdez a new mexico state patrolman

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and he has a new book out called Dulce

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base the truth and evidence from the

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case files of Gabe Valdez a lot coming

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up here and this is an on the scene

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broadcast Chris and Greg are right there

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in a special makeshift studio with gene

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attack of the rock aids has been

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well-received by critics and readers

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alike it's a thrill a minute story

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you'll never forget a former US military

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intelligence officer is haunted by

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intense dreams about a beautiful woman

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pleading for his help after a terrible

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battle in outer space but the dreams

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turn out to be true and thrust him into

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a telepathic love affair with a woman

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whose faraway planet is intent on

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destroying the earth and now the

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gripping tale continues in the coming of

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the protectors it's the second book of

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the raccoons trilogy a galaxy spanning

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adventure that pits our hapless heroes

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against powerful fanatical enemies that

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threaten the lives of freedom loving

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beings everywhere attack of the rock

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codes and the coming of the protectors

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for more than 15 years I have

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bullion or collectibles you're looking

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Midas resources is simply the best I own

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my gold is a hedge against inflation

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this Federal Reserve fiat currency could

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go the way of the deutsche mark and the

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Weimar Republic anytime in these

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historically dangerous times it makes

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sense to physically hold gold and silver

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Midas already has some of the best deals

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in the industry but if you give them a

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call and mention the radio special they

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will give you a list of the day's super

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specials Midas brokers are standing by

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there's a false sense of security that

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the greatest economic crash since the

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Great Depression is over but

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unemployment is still at a 20-year high

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and until Americans are working again

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what is the smartest investment you can

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make it's food having a supply of he

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foods direct 25 year shelf life food is

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location in New Mexico Albuquerque right

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right okay on location with Greg Valdez

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and just to give you a brief on this

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Greg is author of a book called Dulce

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base the truth and evidence from the

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case files of game Valdez and Chris is

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also gathering information for his new

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book called stalking the herd so you all

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came together so Chris how did I'm gonna

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start interviewing you and then you can

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interview ranked there how did you get

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involved with the Valdez's and also this

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particular book well gene my my

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involvement actually stems all the way

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back to the early 90s when I met Greg's

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father the game Valdez who at the time

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had just I think was just retiring has

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new mexico state patrolman he was based

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in the Dulce area he actually grew up in

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trauma which is the next town to the

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west of Dolson and in the county and

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gabe of course knew tom adams David

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Perkins Linda Howe Howard Burgess a lot

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of the people that I had initially

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approached to get myself up to speed

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about the unexplained livestock death

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phenomenon and game is very very helpful

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I found him to be very credible a crack

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law enforcement officer a good

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investigator he gave me all sorts of

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great tips how to do things how to how

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to interview people properly and and I

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was very grateful for that sort of help

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and suggestions and and instructions on

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how to how to really maximize my

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potential as an investigator out in the

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field and

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through the years you know gave

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investigated I don't know

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dozens of town mutilation cases in the

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mid mid to late 70s into the 80s he was

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really at the forefront of one of the

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hardest hit areas

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ranching areas in the country especially

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around the the Gomez ranches outside of

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Dulce and gray as a kid used to

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accompany his dad but on some of these

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investigations and was actually present

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at some very very I would say almost

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historic cases that we have

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documentation on and Gabe was a

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meticulous documentarian he fired he

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kept copies of all his files hundreds of

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photographs um he actually found

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physical evidence at sites included

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tripod marks a gas mask radar chase

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we're going to get into all these things

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as we progressed through the show but

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what I the first like to do is get Greg

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to tell us a little bit about his

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background on how he really developed an

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interest enough to to accompany his dad

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on some of the trips and give us a

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little know just a kind of a sense of

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how he really got hooked by this whole

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thing

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so Greg welcome to the podcast why don't

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you go ahead in kind of give us some

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background on yourself and explain how

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you got involved with all this for our

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listeners out there well first of all

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thank you guys for having me I

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appreciate being on the show give it a

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little background like you mentioned

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earlier I used to accompany my dad on

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all these cases growing up as a kid it's

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pretty interesting to see all these

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strange lights jet cows you know that

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might be kind of gross for some people

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but um I used to ride around with him as

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I got older I became a state police

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officer and following the footsteps on

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my dad and then she became a DEA agent

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I'm retired from DEA so I followed a

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career in law enforcement like my father

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as I mentioned earlier but it's always

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something I've been interested in Dulce

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was a hot spot for a lot of things

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especially the mutilations of course the

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story that Dulce based came out later

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but um even UFO sighting was a hot topic

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for Dulce and it seems like we had

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anyone and everyone

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was an expert in the field would end up

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at her house in Dulce and um just by

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it's not gonna draw my dad being

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involved I got to meet a lot of the top

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investigators that have been in this

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field for what's going on 30 years now

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also it just an interest I've always had

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in them me and my dad it was something

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we always talked about he was alive and

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we'd always compare notes on new stuff

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old stuff and whatever it was developing

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well you have a new book out and I

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really must say it first

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you know to talk of the show here that I

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really appreciate the amount of work

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that it went in went into getting this

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book completed and it's filled with some

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very surprising things in there I've

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already learned a lot just by reading it

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and getting a better sense of your dad's

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thinking course your dad was kind of

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handcuffed in the latter years of his

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investigative work why's his affiliation

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with the National Institute of Discovery

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Sciences and we'll get into that too

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later on the show but what was your

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impression as a kid when you were going

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out in the 70s on some of these cattle

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mutilation cases what was your sense of

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this did you think that we were looking

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at a predator damage how are the

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ranchers responding to this there's been

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obviously over the years a lot of

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controversy about what is causing these

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animal deaths I think just by looking at

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some of the files and photographs that

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you each show it be here I think we can

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pretty much rule out predators when you

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have an animal that's been but one whole

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side has been baked by microwaves I hope

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the Coyotes have bad breath but not to

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have bad so once you give us a sense of

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what it was like as a kid going out

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there

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well like you mentioned earlier my dad

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was very meticulous and in it his

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investigations and then included murders

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rapes whatever the case that was his job

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he loved his job and he was good at it

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he also applied that to the calculations

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some people might have you this is just

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nearly a dead Carol clip when you think

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about it it was pretty groundbreaking

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that they had a retired scientist Howard

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Burgess come and start documenting

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scientific evidence for what most people

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would do for you as a get Carol he took

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it very serious now these ranchers

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they've been doing this all their life

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they know the difference between no Cal

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that's been killed by coyotes predators

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whatever the keys they're not gonna call

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my dad in a panic back in this

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if it wasn't something that they knew

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was out of the ordinary

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of course you have the Kenneth Ramos

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story which kind of muddied the waters

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but um it was always apparent that it

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wasn't predators they looked at

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everything you can think of in the CC

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area occult group local pranksters so

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seeing worshipers aliens you name it but

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it always started back towards a

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government or some human entity involved

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at one point or another that's one thing

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I noticed your dad when he was

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interviewed towards the latter years of

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his life and we didn't lose your dad I

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think August of 2011 not mistaken and

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which is a real loss for the for the

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investigation the investigation

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community I must say he was like a

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grandfather do a lot of us like I said

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in the beginning he was really one of

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the top investigators and probably had

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the most grounded sense about all this

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stuff is very difficult to for him to

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jump to conclusions he would not do that

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he would let the evidence do that the

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jumping to conclusions based on the

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evidence so you know one thing that he

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was pretty reluctant to talk about

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especially in the last couple interviews

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that he did including an interview I

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think he did about a week before he died

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with open minds it seemed like he was

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getting ready to come out and really

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start pointing fingers he never really

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did it publicly of course he did talk to

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some of us and and it was confidential

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so you know I didn't ever say well you

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know state patrolman gave all this told

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me this and that it's this that's that

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you know I always honored that request

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for being off the record but what didn't

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you say now about his thinking I mean he

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went through three decades almost of

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Investigations and and you're very close

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to him obviously being the son it was

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took the most interest in his

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extracurricular work as it was how could

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you sum up your dad's thinking about the

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mutilation phenomenon is there a way to

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do that before we have that answer we

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have to do our break we have Greg Valdez

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author of dulce base the truth and

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evidence from the case files of Game

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Valdez you're on with Jeanne and Chris

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and you are tuned into the para cast let

623
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me tell you what you're gonna hear stuff

624
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here that you probably won't hear

625
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anywhere else here that George Noory

626
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was he and Chris in the power cast we

627
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have Greg Valdez joining us Chris asked

628
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Greg a lengthy question as is Chris's

629
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want Greg response well I know it's

630
00:27:31,790 --> 00:27:29,970
frustrating for my dad because this case

631
00:27:34,250 --> 00:27:31,800
he's been involved with it for nearly 40

632
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years before he passed away you know I

633
00:27:37,910 --> 00:27:35,430
heard some of the interviews you were

634
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talking about he he couldn't talk about

635
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it because what a lot of people don't

636
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realize when he was working for the

637
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National Institute of discover science

638
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or needs out of Las Vegas they made him

639
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sign a nondisclosure agreement and of

640
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course I didn't sign a nondisclosure

641
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agreement wouldn't some people laugh I

642
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don't know if I'll be laughing about

643
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that here in a few months foot so I knew

644
00:27:58,760 --> 00:27:56,820
a lot of the stuff that he couldn't talk

645
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about he wanted to but he just legally

646
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couldn't because it would put him in a

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bind that he didn't you better than to

648
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mess what's what

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that's why I want to step on a

650
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billionaires toes no I don't I knew it's

651
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frustrating for him because he knew the

652
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answer to a lot of the questions that

653
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people would ask him but you just neatly

654
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he couldn't say it because he was in a

655
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bind where he couldn't comment on them

656
00:28:20,990 --> 00:28:19,890
it was frustrating for him because like

657
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:21,000
we mentioned earlier he's very

658
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:23,010
meticulous and this is one of the cases

659
00:28:26,570 --> 00:28:25,290
that has haunted him you know he handled

660
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plenty of cases of a state police

661
00:28:30,980 --> 00:28:28,500
officer needs to pride himself in

662
00:28:32,690 --> 00:28:30,990
solving those cases and that was his

663
00:28:34,940 --> 00:28:32,700
motivation to solve the innovation

664
00:28:36,620 --> 00:28:34,950
mystery and the UFO mystery and Olson

665
00:28:39,550 --> 00:28:36,630
who did he think was behind it you

666
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:39,560
mentioned the government that's a theory

667
00:28:45,290 --> 00:28:42,810
one of three theories a lot of people

668
00:28:47,900 --> 00:28:45,300
think that it's either the government

669
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its misidentified SCVNGR action let's

670
00:28:52,970 --> 00:28:50,790
say there are a few cases it could be

671
00:28:54,500 --> 00:28:52,980
some sort of cult activity but the

672
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:54,510
majority of cases I've always felt

673
00:28:57,890 --> 00:28:56,010
that's some sort of government

674
00:28:59,870 --> 00:28:57,900
connection to them obviously there's

675
00:29:01,850 --> 00:28:59,880
those people who look at the high

676
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:01,860
strange cases and there are a number of

677
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:04,170
them I must say they can't be explained

678
00:29:08,660 --> 00:29:07,050
readily there's been investigators like

679
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:08,670
Linda Hal would look at the high strange

680
00:29:11,180 --> 00:29:09,330
cases

681
00:29:13,700 --> 00:29:11,190
and have come up with a theory that

682
00:29:16,879 --> 00:29:13,710
aliens are here for various reasons

683
00:29:18,279 --> 00:29:16,889
gathering cattle parts I personally feel

684
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:18,289
that that is the least likely

685
00:29:24,729 --> 00:29:20,850
explanation but by getting back to your

686
00:29:27,820 --> 00:29:24,739
dad I mean how did his thinking evolved

687
00:29:31,460 --> 00:29:27,830
in terms of the government's involvement

688
00:29:33,049 --> 00:29:31,470
it was kind of a sense of of how the you

689
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:33,059
know the evidence changes started to

690
00:29:38,029 --> 00:29:35,730
stack up and point in that direction how

691
00:29:39,710 --> 00:29:38,039
it started is just basic investigative

692
00:29:41,690 --> 00:29:39,720
work which a lot of people I think of

693
00:29:43,340 --> 00:29:41,700
ignored in the pastures you follow the

694
00:29:47,330 --> 00:29:43,350
evidence you don't create evidence to

695
00:29:48,859 --> 00:29:47,340
make your theories fit so especially in

696
00:29:50,299 --> 00:29:48,869
this day and age with the internet keep

697
00:29:52,759 --> 00:29:50,309
in mind this is a 70s I don't have

698
00:29:54,019 --> 00:29:52,769
internet libraries up in Dulce so it was

699
00:29:57,139 --> 00:29:54,029
a lot harder to gather this information

700
00:30:00,259 --> 00:29:57,149
but as time went on he was able to piece

701
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:00,269
it together from his work with needs

702
00:30:05,359 --> 00:30:03,090
other associates people like Chris

703
00:30:07,700 --> 00:30:05,369
Tommy bland other investigators that

704
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:07,710
have been working with for years there's

705
00:30:10,940 --> 00:30:09,090
a lot of different government agencies

706
00:30:13,399 --> 00:30:10,950
involved and then there's one main

707
00:30:14,690 --> 00:30:13,409
government agency that kind of basically

708
00:30:16,220 --> 00:30:14,700
they give them the money is what it

709
00:30:18,799 --> 00:30:16,230
comes down to so you have Department of

710
00:30:21,139 --> 00:30:18,809
Energy you know the Air Force Special

711
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:21,149
Weapons lab out of Curtin and Air Force

712
00:30:26,029 --> 00:30:24,330
Base Atomic Energy Commission back in

713
00:30:28,729 --> 00:30:26,039
the early days with the gas puppy

714
00:30:31,159 --> 00:30:28,739
projects you have your three-letter

715
00:30:32,659 --> 00:30:31,169
agencies like in SAE CIA involved in

716
00:30:34,489 --> 00:30:32,669
this through the pulp in a wit story

717
00:30:37,039 --> 00:30:34,499
which is documented in the book so

718
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:37,049
they're all intertwined and you have to

719
00:30:41,389 --> 00:30:39,450
look at history on the easiest way for

720
00:30:44,119 --> 00:30:41,399
me to explain is you look at the history

721
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:44,129
of the Nevada Test Site in area 51 has

722
00:30:47,479 --> 00:30:45,570
nothing to do with aliens just their

723
00:30:49,460 --> 00:30:47,489
basic operation of how they develop

724
00:30:51,289 --> 00:30:49,470
project Blackbird and you know some of

725
00:30:53,359 --> 00:30:51,299
these the stealth project in these

726
00:30:55,220 --> 00:30:53,369
aircraft it gives you in a good a good

727
00:30:56,810 --> 00:30:55,230
idea of how they operate how the

728
00:30:59,450 --> 00:30:56,820
agencies are intertwined with each other

729
00:31:00,859 --> 00:30:59,460
and then one main agency is you just

730
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:00,869
pays the bills and they're the one that

731
00:31:05,090 --> 00:31:03,090
controls everything and if you apply

732
00:31:07,269 --> 00:31:05,100
that thinking and investigative

733
00:31:10,340 --> 00:31:07,279
technique towards emulation this UFO

734
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:10,350
mystery it all starts to make sense and

735
00:31:13,430 --> 00:31:11,850
it comes together and there's plenty of

736
00:31:15,830 --> 00:31:13,440
evidence to support it which is more

737
00:31:20,090 --> 00:31:15,840
important so basically what I'm hearing

738
00:31:21,460 --> 00:31:20,100
is that it's a multi-agency or it's

739
00:31:24,460 --> 00:31:21,470
multiple groups they have

740
00:31:27,460 --> 00:31:24,470
sort of intertwined agenda why do they

741
00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:27,470
have a need to mutilate cattle and other

742
00:31:33,100 --> 00:31:30,370
livestock is there do you think your dad

743
00:31:36,370 --> 00:31:33,110
was really came up with a concrete

744
00:31:38,590 --> 00:31:36,380
answer to that doesn't I mean what was

745
00:31:40,779 --> 00:31:38,600
his is thinking on the government's

746
00:31:42,490 --> 00:31:40,789
motivation to do these cases the

747
00:31:44,950 --> 00:31:42,500
motivation

748
00:31:47,649 --> 00:31:44,960
from my dad's point of view in the early

749
00:31:50,940 --> 00:31:47,659
relations they were finding evidence of

750
00:31:53,350 --> 00:31:50,950
it looks like the entities involved were

751
00:31:55,810 --> 00:31:53,360
investigating radiation type poisoning

752
00:31:58,200 --> 00:31:55,820
this ties back in a project plowshare

753
00:32:01,240 --> 00:31:58,210
because of course most people are aware

754
00:32:02,919 --> 00:32:01,250
nearby outside the Dulce was project gas

755
00:32:05,289 --> 00:32:02,929
bookie which was one of these project

756
00:32:07,690 --> 00:32:05,299
file share projects um they've had him

757
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:07,700
throughout the nation you know and

758
00:32:11,890 --> 00:32:09,850
that's uh I think was a twenty nine

759
00:32:16,180 --> 00:32:11,900
kiloton nuclear device that they

760
00:32:17,799 --> 00:32:16,190
exploded underground in december 67 if I

761
00:32:19,390 --> 00:32:17,809
remember correctly just after the snippy

762
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:19,400
case over the mountains in the San Luis

763
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:23,210
Valley they exploded this tactical nuke

764
00:32:27,730 --> 00:32:25,010
I guess underground two three up gas

765
00:32:29,710 --> 00:32:27,740
deposits and ended up by radiating all

766
00:32:31,419 --> 00:32:29,720
the gas and the possible gas couldn't

767
00:32:32,830 --> 00:32:31,429
even use it I think that if I remember

768
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:32,840
correctly so you think that they were

769
00:32:38,409 --> 00:32:35,090
monitoring radiation levels as a result

770
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:38,419
of that yes because like again once

771
00:32:42,430 --> 00:32:40,250
again there's evidence that shows the

772
00:32:45,370 --> 00:32:42,440
gas Bunge site actually had a leak open

773
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:45,380
to around 96 I believe and they didn't

774
00:32:49,029 --> 00:32:46,850
know where the leak was coming from and

775
00:32:52,090 --> 00:32:49,039
that's one of the plowshare sites that

776
00:32:54,549 --> 00:32:52,100
was did have contamination also they

777
00:32:56,169 --> 00:32:54,559
didn't the contaminated gas they flared

778
00:32:57,730 --> 00:32:56,179
it off which means they just burn the

779
00:33:00,190 --> 00:32:57,740
gas off but that doesn't eliminate the

780
00:33:03,100 --> 00:33:00,200
nuclear contamination that just burns

781
00:33:05,890 --> 00:33:03,110
off the gas and now the prevalent winds

782
00:33:08,169 --> 00:33:05,900
in that area the nuclear fallout would

783
00:33:08,860 --> 00:33:08,179
have flown right into Dulce charm re

784
00:33:11,169 --> 00:33:08,870
Arriba County

785
00:33:13,570 --> 00:33:11,179
you also have test sites like rulest in

786
00:33:16,210 --> 00:33:13,580
Colorado Trinidad Colorado you saw a lot

787
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:16,220
of mutilation rates in those areas also

788
00:33:18,909 --> 00:33:17,450
the sound of East Valley and I don't

789
00:33:21,970 --> 00:33:18,919
think I need to tell Chris about that

790
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:21,980
you know so there was early ties where

791
00:33:26,399 --> 00:33:23,210
it looked like a lot of these

792
00:33:29,529 --> 00:33:26,409
mutilations are used to be testing for

793
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:29,539
radiation type contamination and that's

794
00:33:34,870 --> 00:33:31,970
why the cattle are being used um going

795
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:34,880
back to Nevada Test Site the Nevada Test

796
00:33:37,269 --> 00:33:35,210
Site

797
00:33:40,539 --> 00:33:37,279
their own herd of cattle that they were

798
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:40,549
testing for these type of issues now I'm

799
00:33:45,490 --> 00:33:43,610
not saying that's that specific program

800
00:33:48,159 --> 00:33:45,500
it's called an animal investigative

801
00:33:49,990 --> 00:33:48,169
program is not their own whole reason

802
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:50,000
for the mutilations but if you look into

803
00:33:55,810 --> 00:33:52,490
that program it'll tell you why cattle

804
00:33:58,330 --> 00:33:55,820
or being used because the bone marrow of

805
00:34:01,299 --> 00:33:58,340
two to three year old cattle was used to

806
00:34:04,149 --> 00:34:01,309
diagnose certain types of cancers and in

807
00:34:06,250 --> 00:34:04,159
Dulce they were finding that the pattern

808
00:34:08,349 --> 00:34:06,260
for the mutilated cows would follow two

809
00:34:10,329 --> 00:34:08,359
to three year old cows that started to

810
00:34:13,659 --> 00:34:10,339
make sense why a certain age group of

811
00:34:15,430 --> 00:34:13,669
cattle are being found mutilated so the

812
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:15,440
animal investigative program out of the

813
00:34:21,490 --> 00:34:18,770
Nevada Test Site isn't the entity that

814
00:34:23,260 --> 00:34:21,500
you blame for the mutilations but it

815
00:34:25,300 --> 00:34:23,270
gives you a lot of good evidence of why

816
00:34:27,010 --> 00:34:25,310
cattle or being used for these type of

817
00:34:30,399 --> 00:34:27,020
experiments in what they were looking

818
00:34:32,829 --> 00:34:30,409
for so that was the early mutilations

819
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:32,839
they were finding in Dulce um when my

820
00:34:36,579 --> 00:34:34,970
dad started working for nits in the late

821
00:34:39,790 --> 00:34:36,589
nineties he noticed mutilations were

822
00:34:41,770 --> 00:34:39,800
changing and they didn't have as many in

823
00:34:44,740 --> 00:34:41,780
the Dolci area but they were having a

824
00:34:46,839 --> 00:34:44,750
lot in Red River New Mexico Angelfire

825
00:34:48,430 --> 00:34:46,849
New Mexico and it seemed like the

826
00:34:49,930 --> 00:34:48,440
pattern of the mutilations had changed

827
00:34:53,829 --> 00:34:49,940
for more radiation testing tomorrow

828
00:34:55,810 --> 00:34:53,839
weapons development testing and a lot of

829
00:35:00,160 --> 00:34:55,820
it seemed to be based off of microwave

830
00:35:03,250 --> 00:35:00,170
foam one minute's technology hmm well

831
00:35:05,470 --> 00:35:03,260
this works for our neck of the woods out

832
00:35:08,859 --> 00:35:05,480
here in northern New Mexico southern

833
00:35:10,390 --> 00:35:08,869
Colorado on the area around the four

834
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:10,400
corners let's say east of the four

835
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:12,170
corners but how about out in the Midwest

836
00:35:17,230 --> 00:35:13,970
I mean do you think that there were

837
00:35:18,849 --> 00:35:17,240
similar motivations out there you tended

838
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:18,859
to have older cows out there cows eat

839
00:35:24,250 --> 00:35:21,530
adjust you know oftentimes it just given

840
00:35:27,579 --> 00:35:24,260
birth to a calf the Front Range of

841
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:27,589
Colorado very very hard hit parts of

842
00:35:34,240 --> 00:35:30,770
Texas Kansas Iowa well do you think the

843
00:35:36,910 --> 00:35:34,250
motivations by these put lipstick

844
00:35:38,050 --> 00:35:36,920
identical government testing program do

845
00:35:41,109 --> 00:35:38,060
you think that their motivations were

846
00:35:43,380 --> 00:35:41,119
the same out there yes it appears so

847
00:35:46,390 --> 00:35:43,390
because in the early mutilation zone

848
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:46,400
they start correlating the fallout rates

849
00:35:50,420 --> 00:35:48,690
from the nuclear testing at the Nevada

850
00:35:52,550 --> 00:35:50,430
citing even like the project plow search

851
00:35:57,079 --> 00:35:52,560
sites there seem to be a correlation

852
00:35:59,059 --> 00:35:57,089
between the fallout that was caused by

853
00:36:01,819 --> 00:35:59,069
the Nevada Test Site and the mutilation

854
00:36:04,609 --> 00:36:01,829
rates they were also testing wetter

855
00:36:06,260 --> 00:36:04,619
weather patterns in them they noticed

856
00:36:08,660 --> 00:36:06,270
that when the Jetstream would dip down

857
00:36:10,309 --> 00:36:08,670
into northern New Mexico they'd see an

858
00:36:12,589 --> 00:36:10,319
increase in relations in northern New

859
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:12,599
Mexico when it would move up to like

860
00:36:17,569 --> 00:36:15,530
Montana Idaho they see an increase in

861
00:36:19,130 --> 00:36:17,579
mutilations up in that area so they

862
00:36:22,550 --> 00:36:19,140
didn't know if they were testing fallout

863
00:36:25,250 --> 00:36:22,560
oh but that was the best indication of

864
00:36:27,620 --> 00:36:25,260
to predict when the next rash of

865
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mutilations would come in the northern

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New Mexico here some 19 have four and

867
00:36:34,550 --> 00:36:32,280
one night for one night that's the way

868
00:36:36,980 --> 00:36:34,560
to stop it Gregg for a second as we do

869
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our break we'll get back to that and you

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973
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with Jean and Chris and the power cast

974
00:41:21,459 --> 00:41:18,219
we have Greg Valdez and we're exploring

975
00:41:23,890 --> 00:41:21,469
primarily cattle mutilations and before

976
00:41:26,229 --> 00:41:23,900
we broke he was in the middle of an

977
00:41:30,099 --> 00:41:26,239
answer to one of Chris's long questions

978
00:41:33,370 --> 00:41:30,109
Greg you said that in one night there

979
00:41:35,349 --> 00:41:33,380
were four mutilations yes that's correct

980
00:41:37,870 --> 00:41:35,359
Raleigh Tafoya who's actually the tribal

981
00:41:40,479 --> 00:41:37,880
police chief and don't see yet four of

982
00:41:42,579 --> 00:41:40,489
his cows killed in one night so they see

983
00:41:43,839 --> 00:41:42,589
a lot in a short period of time and then

984
00:41:46,329 --> 00:41:43,849
they wouldn't have them for several

985
00:41:48,219 --> 00:41:46,339
months and then they'd have more again

986
00:41:52,149 --> 00:41:48,229
or they moved to another area like Red

987
00:41:53,979 --> 00:41:52,159
River Trinidad Colorado or San Luis

988
00:41:56,199 --> 00:41:53,989
Valley like Chris mentioned earlier the

989
00:41:58,929 --> 00:41:56,209
Midwest they get him up in Montana

990
00:42:00,429 --> 00:41:58,939
Canada had a lot for a while because my

991
00:42:03,189 --> 00:42:00,439
dad actually went up there and spoke to

992
00:42:04,779 --> 00:42:03,199
the royal canadian mounted patrol about

993
00:42:08,620 --> 00:42:04,789
the malaysian wave they were having up

994
00:42:11,289 --> 00:42:08,630
in canada on so they were pretty

995
00:42:13,899 --> 00:42:11,299
sporadic but uh as i mentioned earlier

996
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:13,909
when you look at the fallout rates for a

997
00:42:20,259 --> 00:42:16,249
lot of this nuclear testing those seem

998
00:42:21,130 --> 00:42:20,269
to correlate with the relation rates and

999
00:42:21,969 --> 00:42:21,140
where they were having a high mutation

1000
00:42:23,739 --> 00:42:21,979
rates

1001
00:42:25,269 --> 00:42:23,749
it's nothing solid but that's the best

1002
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:25,279
thing they were able to be fairly knows

1003
00:42:31,299 --> 00:42:27,890
so david perkins came up with a theory

1004
00:42:33,759 --> 00:42:31,309
very early on that he seemed to notice

1005
00:42:36,339 --> 00:42:33,769
areas of high incidence of these

1006
00:42:39,819 --> 00:42:36,349
unexplained livestock deaths tend to be

1007
00:42:42,069 --> 00:42:39,829
demonstrating downwind of these areas

1008
00:42:43,899 --> 00:42:42,079
where not only above-ground testing

1009
00:42:47,669 --> 00:42:43,909
underground testing was a crane but also

1010
00:42:50,669 --> 00:42:47,679
weapons labs where we enriched uranium

1011
00:42:54,279 --> 00:42:50,679
where we create triggers that say and

1012
00:42:56,439 --> 00:42:54,289
the nuclear power plants in any place

1013
00:42:58,479 --> 00:42:56,449
where we would utilize radioactive

1014
00:43:01,719 --> 00:42:58,489
materials downwind and downstream in

1015
00:43:03,849 --> 00:43:01,729
figured this was in 1978 he came up with

1016
00:43:06,609 --> 00:43:03,859
this theory but but great you mentioned

1017
00:43:10,299 --> 00:43:06,619
that there seemed to be a shift that

1018
00:43:12,130 --> 00:43:10,309
took place we did have sort of a lull

1019
00:43:14,079 --> 00:43:12,140
period in the end of the eighties and

1020
00:43:14,370 --> 00:43:14,089
then it seemed like all of a sudden down

1021
00:43:17,550 --> 00:43:14,380
and

1022
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:17,560
Alabama we've had total offense on the

1023
00:43:23,790 --> 00:43:20,530
show prior to this damming Alabama he

1024
00:43:26,190 --> 00:43:23,800
investigated a few dozen cases down

1025
00:43:28,410 --> 00:43:26,200
there and and he's suspected weapons

1026
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:28,420
testing that possibly they were testing

1027
00:43:33,810 --> 00:43:31,210
some sort of bio agent now when people

1028
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:33,820
talk to you about this subject to me

1029
00:43:39,570 --> 00:43:36,490
they uh they might be a little skeptical

1030
00:43:43,740 --> 00:43:39,580
oftentimes I hear well how can these

1031
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:43,750
people pull this off and never have some

1032
00:43:50,070 --> 00:43:47,770
equipment breakdown somebody mess up so

1033
00:43:51,900 --> 00:43:50,080
that you know these these particular

1034
00:43:54,270 --> 00:43:51,910
perpetrators can be identified I mean

1035
00:43:57,180 --> 00:43:54,280
how can they be so slick and get away

1036
00:43:59,490 --> 00:43:57,190
with upwards of possibly ten thousand

1037
00:44:01,770 --> 00:43:59,500
cases that numbers been been bantered

1038
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:01,780
around through the years I think it

1039
00:44:06,210 --> 00:44:04,450
might be high but what do you think I

1040
00:44:09,060 --> 00:44:06,220
mean kind of happened these guys are

1041
00:44:11,190 --> 00:44:09,070
pretty slick if they can do this for so

1042
00:44:13,110 --> 00:44:11,200
many years and not get caught well

1043
00:44:14,940 --> 00:44:13,120
that's one of the reasons that they were

1044
00:44:17,490 --> 00:44:14,950
always suspecting either a large

1045
00:44:18,990 --> 00:44:17,500
pharmaceutical company or the government

1046
00:44:20,670 --> 00:44:19,000
or something that's well funded because

1047
00:44:23,370 --> 00:44:20,680
it takes a lot of resources to pull this

1048
00:44:24,990 --> 00:44:23,380
off of course if you you've been in

1049
00:44:27,570 --> 00:44:25,000
northern New Mexico I can't speak for

1050
00:44:29,010 --> 00:44:27,580
Alabama or where Ted's been out or some

1051
00:44:31,650 --> 00:44:29,020
of these places in Texas that have had

1052
00:44:34,830 --> 00:44:31,660
mutations but I can speak for Lucy this

1053
00:44:36,060 --> 00:44:34,840
pretty rugged area it's pretty remote

1054
00:44:37,620 --> 00:44:36,070
there's not a lot of people where they

1055
00:44:39,630 --> 00:44:37,630
were finding these cattle so it was

1056
00:44:41,790 --> 00:44:39,640
relative actually easy for them to

1057
00:44:43,170 --> 00:44:41,800
conduct emulations up in northern new

1058
00:44:44,970 --> 00:44:43,180
mexico because it's so sparsely

1059
00:44:47,070 --> 00:44:44,980
populated and that might be a reason why

1060
00:44:49,140 --> 00:44:47,080
they had so many in the area it was just

1061
00:44:50,670 --> 00:44:49,150
easier to operate then you have that

1062
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:50,680
with the proximity to some of our

1063
00:44:55,350 --> 00:44:52,570
National Labs and Kirtland Air Force

1064
00:44:56,850 --> 00:44:55,360
Base that makes sense why they might

1065
00:44:58,110 --> 00:44:56,860
have picked Dulce and why they might

1066
00:45:00,140 --> 00:44:58,120
have had so many in Rio Arriba County

1067
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:00,150
it's just it's rugged country on

1068
00:45:03,630 --> 00:45:02,170
sometimes those ranchers can get to

1069
00:45:04,740 --> 00:45:03,640
their cattle for several days because

1070
00:45:08,490 --> 00:45:04,750
they get up in the high country

1071
00:45:10,740 --> 00:45:08,500
there's not people to view things um

1072
00:45:13,590 --> 00:45:10,750
that might be a reason why they never

1073
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:13,600
caught anyone them in the act you know

1074
00:45:18,660 --> 00:45:16,210
people ask me all the time about cases

1075
00:45:22,790 --> 00:45:18,670
prior to the infamous snippy the horse

1076
00:45:25,339 --> 00:45:22,800
case in September 67 and all your dad's

1077
00:45:26,989 --> 00:45:25,349
forays in the area and requests

1078
00:45:29,150 --> 00:45:26,999
living up there and then you're talking

1079
00:45:31,759 --> 00:45:29,160
to locals up there did you ever hear any

1080
00:45:34,999 --> 00:45:31,769
stories or of any cases that happen back

1081
00:45:39,170 --> 00:45:35,009
in the 50s or early 60s no and dole say

1082
00:45:41,299 --> 00:45:39,180
the original story started in 76 with

1083
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:41,309
the Gomez inflation's they were seeing

1084
00:45:45,829 --> 00:45:43,410
the weird lights we call me off homes

1085
00:45:47,690 --> 00:45:45,839
that's for everyone to determine on

1086
00:45:49,039 --> 00:45:47,700
their home but those lights and they

1087
00:45:51,170 --> 00:45:49,049
started seeing those around the same

1088
00:45:53,749 --> 00:45:51,180
time period which is 76 when this whole

1089
00:45:55,729 --> 00:45:53,759
hotbed of activity started in the Dulcie

1090
00:45:57,759 --> 00:45:55,739
area and also one of the photographs

1091
00:46:01,489 --> 00:45:57,769
that you have here is pretty intriguing

1092
00:46:03,529 --> 00:46:01,499
you ubiquitous black helicopter shot and

1093
00:46:06,079 --> 00:46:03,539
helicopters have seen as well if I'm not

1094
00:46:08,539 --> 00:46:06,089
mistaken yes they were pretty common at

1095
00:46:10,460 --> 00:46:08,549
Dulce during this whole time period and

1096
00:46:12,140 --> 00:46:10,470
they there's still reports random

1097
00:46:14,299 --> 00:46:12,150
reports of people locals that I've

1098
00:46:16,279 --> 00:46:14,309
talked to they still see them every once

1099
00:46:17,599 --> 00:46:16,289
in a while that you'll see every Oso but

1100
00:46:20,049 --> 00:46:17,609
that was pretty common we'd see mom

1101
00:46:22,279 --> 00:46:20,059
pretty frequently almost as much as the

1102
00:46:24,620 --> 00:46:22,289
mysterious lights that we were seen at

1103
00:46:27,049 --> 00:46:24,630
minus one there were a couple of cases -

1104
00:46:29,299 --> 00:46:27,059
if memory serves me correct where your

1105
00:46:32,180 --> 00:46:29,309
dad found physical evidence on the site

1106
00:46:35,569 --> 00:46:32,190
in one one case in particular tripod

1107
00:46:38,539 --> 00:46:35,579
marks and also other physical evidence

1108
00:46:40,459 --> 00:46:38,549
which is if you know anything about this

1109
00:46:42,620 --> 00:46:40,469
subject you know that finding physical

1110
00:46:45,319 --> 00:46:42,630
evidence at a mutilation site is

1111
00:46:47,450 --> 00:46:45,329
extremely rare it does not happen very

1112
00:46:51,410 --> 00:46:47,460
often even just simple things like

1113
00:46:52,910 --> 00:46:51,420
tracks are often I've never found well

1114
00:46:54,739 --> 00:46:52,920
why don't you talk a little bit about

1115
00:46:57,289 --> 00:46:54,749
some of the physical evidence that they

1116
00:46:59,359 --> 00:46:57,299
were able to find out sites being you

1117
00:47:00,589 --> 00:46:59,369
know a very good investigator if there

1118
00:47:03,109 --> 00:47:00,599
was something there your dad would be

1119
00:47:04,759 --> 00:47:03,119
able to find it and I see pictures here

1120
00:47:07,549 --> 00:47:04,769
of a gas mask yes that's a pretty

1121
00:47:09,229 --> 00:47:07,559
interesting story actually on three of

1122
00:47:11,660 --> 00:47:09,239
the mutilations two of them were two

1123
00:47:13,819 --> 00:47:11,670
separate gomez mutilations and one of

1124
00:47:15,979 --> 00:47:13,829
them was a mutilation up in Red River in

1125
00:47:18,620 --> 00:47:15,989
the late 90s the two Gomez ones were

1126
00:47:21,890 --> 00:47:18,630
early one was in the 76 the first

1127
00:47:24,049 --> 00:47:21,900
Malaysian one was like 78 they found

1128
00:47:26,359 --> 00:47:24,059
evidence of what looked like tripod

1129
00:47:28,370 --> 00:47:26,369
marks they were exact same dimensions I

1130
00:47:30,890 --> 00:47:28,380
think they were like 18 inches apart in

1131
00:47:33,349 --> 00:47:30,900
9 inches or 6 inches or I don't quote me

1132
00:47:35,269 --> 00:47:33,359
on the exact dimensions but they found

1133
00:47:38,380 --> 00:47:35,279
among three different mutilation sites

1134
00:47:40,720 --> 00:47:38,390
on the first Gomez site on

1135
00:47:42,220 --> 00:47:40,730
first found his cow he noticed those

1136
00:47:44,650 --> 00:47:42,230
track pock marks he went back into town

1137
00:47:46,299 --> 00:47:44,660
to call my dad and when they went out

1138
00:47:48,609 --> 00:47:46,309
the next day to look at the cow there

1139
00:47:50,289 --> 00:47:48,619
was more tripod marks on top of his tire

1140
00:47:52,539 --> 00:47:50,299
tracks from the day before so it looked

1141
00:47:55,319 --> 00:47:52,549
like whoever whatever is killing this

1142
00:47:59,079 --> 00:47:55,329
cow went back and finished the job in

1143
00:48:00,940 --> 00:47:59,089
when he first found the first cow the I

1144
00:48:02,890 --> 00:48:00,950
think it was the left ear was still

1145
00:48:04,870 --> 00:48:02,900
intact when he went first initially

1146
00:48:06,519 --> 00:48:04,880
found the cow when he went back into

1147
00:48:08,529 --> 00:48:06,529
town again to call my dad when he came

1148
00:48:11,289 --> 00:48:08,539
back that arrows missing so someone had

1149
00:48:13,809 --> 00:48:11,299
to come back and you know finish the

1150
00:48:15,519 --> 00:48:13,819
relation for lack of a better term India

1151
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:15,529
landed on top of his tire tracks and

1152
00:48:20,829 --> 00:48:17,930
from those tire tracks some smaller

1153
00:48:23,019 --> 00:48:20,839
marks went to the cow and it looked like

1154
00:48:25,870 --> 00:48:23,029
that in that followed the cow where the

1155
00:48:28,269 --> 00:48:25,880
cow finally died and laid on its side

1156
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:28,279
and it looked like the aircraft we're

1157
00:48:32,589 --> 00:48:30,170
assuming it's an aircraft because none

1158
00:48:34,539 --> 00:48:32,599
of Technology owned it been landed on a

1159
00:48:36,279 --> 00:48:34,549
stump and it almost tipped over when it

1160
00:48:39,309 --> 00:48:36,289
landed from the depressions that are

1161
00:48:41,460 --> 00:48:39,319
left in the dirt so that was one of the

1162
00:48:43,569 --> 00:48:41,470
things that Howard Burgess and my dad

1163
00:48:45,309 --> 00:48:43,579
started looking at when they first got

1164
00:48:47,890 --> 00:48:45,319
involved in this home on a later

1165
00:48:49,930 --> 00:48:47,900
relation at the Gomez ranch this was

1166
00:48:52,930 --> 00:48:49,940
actually behind his house they found the

1167
00:48:54,970 --> 00:48:52,940
same triangular impressions in the dirt

1168
00:48:56,499 --> 00:48:54,980
and it was that time of the era's

1169
00:48:59,319 --> 00:48:56,509
drought kind of like what we're going

1170
00:49:00,789 --> 00:48:59,329
through now where whatever left those

1171
00:49:02,349 --> 00:49:00,799
impressions had to be heavy enough to

1172
00:49:05,559 --> 00:49:02,359
mark the dirt because the dirt was so

1173
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:05,569
dry and compact you throw them from the

1174
00:49:10,269 --> 00:49:07,970
lack of moisture and then in the Red

1175
00:49:12,190 --> 00:49:10,279
River case it was muddy that time of the

1176
00:49:13,599 --> 00:49:12,200
year and whatever aircraft landed it

1177
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:13,609
almost crashed into a fence because

1178
00:49:17,710 --> 00:49:16,130
though it looked dry when you look at

1179
00:49:20,170 --> 00:49:17,720
the pictures and what happens when the

1180
00:49:22,870 --> 00:49:20,180
aircraft landed almost slid into a fence

1181
00:49:25,359 --> 00:49:22,880
because whoever was driving that that's

1182
00:49:27,609 --> 00:49:25,369
up to her to decide what was driving it

1183
00:49:28,749 --> 00:49:27,619
they kind of misinterpreted how soft the

1184
00:49:31,720 --> 00:49:28,759
ground was and it had the same

1185
00:49:33,970 --> 00:49:31,730
dimensions as the early relation cases

1186
00:49:35,380 --> 00:49:33,980
from the Gomez ranch and this was that

1187
00:49:37,509 --> 00:49:35,390
Red River so it seemed like they were

1188
00:49:40,299 --> 00:49:37,519
using the same type of aircraft and also

1189
00:49:43,210 --> 00:49:40,309
in Linder if New Mexico in the 80s they

1190
00:49:46,359 --> 00:49:43,220
found or my dad found them evidence for

1191
00:49:47,859 --> 00:49:46,369
there was a turbine wash just that time

1192
00:49:50,049 --> 00:49:47,869
of the year for whatever reason though

1193
00:49:51,370 --> 00:49:50,059
there's moisture underneath all pieces

1194
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:51,380
of sagebrush

1195
00:49:55,059 --> 00:49:53,690
to see whatever came in um had started

1196
00:49:56,710 --> 00:49:55,069
up with the turbulence we're able to

1197
00:49:58,779 --> 00:49:56,720
measure and it was exactly the same

1198
00:49:59,890 --> 00:49:58,789
distance where the aircraft whatever

1199
00:50:00,999 --> 00:49:59,900
aircraft it was whether it's a

1200
00:50:04,029 --> 00:50:01,009
helicopter

1201
00:50:06,819 --> 00:50:04,039
magic ship came in and it turned up all

1202
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:06,829
these old cow patties in pieces of

1203
00:50:10,630 --> 00:50:08,450
sagebrush and then you could see where

1204
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:10,640
it went back up into the air there was

1205
00:50:14,829 --> 00:50:12,890
no more turbulence there's a lot of that

1206
00:50:16,900 --> 00:50:14,839
type of evidence about the gas mask

1207
00:50:18,759 --> 00:50:16,910
that's a good one the gas knife was

1208
00:50:20,980 --> 00:50:18,769
found out one of the gomez mutilations

1209
00:50:23,710 --> 00:50:20,990
and they also found a high altitude

1210
00:50:27,009 --> 00:50:23,720
humidity sensor than they were able to

1211
00:50:29,049 --> 00:50:27,019
trace back to the Air Force oh and those

1212
00:50:31,180 --> 00:50:29,059
were thrown on the Gomez ranch as well

1213
00:50:34,349 --> 00:50:31,190
and that's where they found the radar

1214
00:50:36,789 --> 00:50:34,359
shell it might seem a freighter you have

1215
00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:36,799
that was also thrown out of one of the

1216
00:50:39,730 --> 00:50:38,210
Goldman English you know want you to

1217
00:50:41,799 --> 00:50:39,740
explain about the radar chaff that

1218
00:50:45,460 --> 00:50:41,809
that's very interesting that's pretty

1219
00:50:48,579 --> 00:50:45,470
rare to find this stuff in not just

1220
00:50:50,859 --> 00:50:48,589
spread out and distributed and around

1221
00:50:53,079 --> 00:50:50,869
like they normally when they shoot it

1222
00:50:55,720 --> 00:50:53,089
out the back it sort of flares out and

1223
00:50:57,400 --> 00:50:55,730
then creates a cloud you guys found

1224
00:50:58,089 --> 00:50:57,410
packages of this stuff I want you to

1225
00:51:00,249 --> 00:50:58,099
tell us about that

1226
00:51:01,779 --> 00:51:00,259
was that a location of one of the I

1227
00:51:02,859 --> 00:51:01,789
believe is immunity cow might have been

1228
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:02,869
the horse I'll have to look at the

1229
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:05,210
reports but the aircraft that was trying

1230
00:51:10,299 --> 00:51:07,970
to disperse this radar chow it

1231
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:10,309
malfunction because the packages were

1232
00:51:14,140 --> 00:51:12,410
still wrapped in cardboard and I was

1233
00:51:16,240 --> 00:51:14,150
just showing Chris earlier I still have

1234
00:51:18,279 --> 00:51:16,250
the wrapping from it you could see the

1235
00:51:21,099 --> 00:51:18,289
flight line that the aircraft took in a

1236
00:51:22,630 --> 00:51:21,109
went straight to the cow and just simply

1237
00:51:24,430 --> 00:51:22,640
walk down in a straight line and we were

1238
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:24,440
finding these packages of radar check

1239
00:51:28,150 --> 00:51:26,450
I'll tell you what we'll get into more

1240
00:51:30,789 --> 00:51:28,160
of this description in our next segment

1241
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:30,799
we'll have Greg Valdez joining gene and

1242
00:51:35,710 --> 00:51:32,930
Chris and we're trying to put a real

1243
00:51:37,870 --> 00:51:35,720
reality check on the cattle mutilation

1244
00:51:38,970 --> 00:51:37,880
phenomenon with Gene and Chris you're in

1245
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1246
00:51:44,579 --> 00:51:41,200
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1247
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1248
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1249
00:51:53,769 --> 00:51:51,529
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1250
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1255
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1261
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1262
00:52:19,750 --> 00:52:17,210
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1263
00:52:21,070 --> 00:52:19,760
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1264
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:21,080
Anderson have you ever wondered why

1265
00:52:25,030 --> 00:52:23,090
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1266
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:25,040
won't talk about gold IRAs they've been

1267
00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:27,410
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1268
00:52:30,820 --> 00:52:29,090
industry won't recognize the value of

1269
00:52:32,770 --> 00:52:30,830
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1270
00:52:34,660 --> 00:52:32,780
outperformed paper investments yet no

1271
00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:34,670
word about IRAs if you would like to

1272
00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:37,610
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1273
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1274
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1275
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1279
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1280
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1282
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1283
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1284
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1285
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1286
00:53:41,140 --> 00:53:39,050
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1287
00:53:42,410 --> 00:53:41,150
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1288
00:53:44,630 --> 00:53:42,420
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1289
00:53:47,779 --> 00:53:44,640
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1290
00:53:56,170 --> 00:53:47,789
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1291
00:54:04,210 --> 00:53:59,900
welcome back to the para cast the gold

1292
00:54:12,319 --> 00:54:04,220
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1293
00:54:13,940 --> 00:54:12,329
here's Jane Steinberg with gene and

1294
00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:13,950
Chris and the para cast Greg Valdez

1295
00:54:20,870 --> 00:54:18,210
giving us elaborate very informative and

1296
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:20,880
forum descriptions of all these events

1297
00:54:24,380 --> 00:54:22,770
very frightening and you were in the

1298
00:54:26,779 --> 00:54:24,390
middle of one answer there and I want

1299
00:54:28,309 --> 00:54:26,789
you to continue that story going back to

1300
00:54:31,069 --> 00:54:28,319
the radar shop what we were talking

1301
00:54:33,589 --> 00:54:31,079
about earlier they tested the frequency

1302
00:54:35,690 --> 00:54:33,599
of the radar shop and it was tied to

1303
00:54:37,130 --> 00:54:35,700
Longmont Colorado people are under the

1304
00:54:38,779 --> 00:54:37,140
wooden beam test the frequency how do

1305
00:54:41,450 --> 00:54:38,789
you do that this is like doughnut a like

1306
00:54:44,299 --> 00:54:41,460
the kind of like angel hair or something

1307
00:54:47,990 --> 00:54:44,309
we call this in Brooklyn metallic

1308
00:54:50,150 --> 00:54:48,000
schmutz this is metallic Schmo picture

1309
00:54:52,579 --> 00:54:50,160
my dad being my dad that people knew him

1310
00:54:54,589 --> 00:54:52,589
he had a lot of contacts so they had a

1311
00:54:56,960 --> 00:54:54,599
contact with the Air Force and they told

1312
00:54:58,250 --> 00:54:56,970
him they found this radar chat person

1313
00:54:59,660 --> 00:54:58,260
they want to go on the record and said

1314
00:55:01,190 --> 00:54:59,670
well where did you get it that stuff's

1315
00:55:04,099 --> 00:55:01,200
classified you're not supposed to have

1316
00:55:06,440 --> 00:55:04,109
it so they did some analysis analysis

1317
00:55:08,390 --> 00:55:06,450
for him on the side and they were to get

1318
00:55:10,519 --> 00:55:08,400
able to determine which frequency it was

1319
00:55:12,710 --> 00:55:10,529
designed to block it was designed to

1320
00:55:14,720 --> 00:55:12,720
block the Longmont Colorado radar

1321
00:55:16,490 --> 00:55:14,730
station which covers you'll see most

1322
00:55:19,039 --> 00:55:16,500
people assume because dual season New

1323
00:55:20,450 --> 00:55:19,049
Mexico that Albuquerque radar station

1324
00:55:21,829 --> 00:55:20,460
would be the one that would look

1325
00:55:23,150 --> 00:55:21,839
frequency would be applied to that but

1326
00:55:25,549 --> 00:55:23,160
was actually long enough and that makes

1327
00:55:28,250 --> 00:55:25,559
sense because don't see so close to

1328
00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:28,260
Colorado oh and that was the radar

1329
00:55:31,819 --> 00:55:30,210
station they were trying to block so why

1330
00:55:34,130 --> 00:55:31,829
are they doing this just for testing

1331
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:34,140
yeah just to know whatever they were

1332
00:55:38,599 --> 00:55:36,450
aircraft testing they were doing up

1333
00:55:42,319 --> 00:55:38,609
there was to cover either their tracks

1334
00:55:43,819 --> 00:55:42,329
or mutilations themselves and get when

1335
00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:43,829
you get into the story but don't see

1336
00:55:48,380 --> 00:55:45,930
pace which we'll get to later that's a

1337
00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:48,390
whole other can of worms we're just

1338
00:55:52,819 --> 00:55:49,890
barely in the beginning of it now with

1339
00:55:54,980 --> 00:55:52,829
the cattle but um this is what was the

1340
00:55:57,710 --> 00:55:54,990
early stuff of Dulce was all this

1341
00:56:00,140 --> 00:55:57,720
military implications like I said the

1342
00:56:02,900 --> 00:56:00,150
immediate II sensor the gas masks they

1343
00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:02,910
were finding evidence so since in some

1344
00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:04,890
cases they found syringes I believe not

1345
00:56:08,450 --> 00:56:06,690
in Dulce but in other cases and Chris

1346
00:56:08,870 --> 00:56:08,460
Pratt knows more about that than me

1347
00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:08,880
because

1348
00:56:13,130 --> 00:56:11,610
was a more of a nation whitening well I

1349
00:56:16,430 --> 00:56:13,140
mean there's just a handful of things

1350
00:56:18,530 --> 00:56:16,440
that they've been found at mutilation

1351
00:56:21,890 --> 00:56:18,540
sites they found this satchel like a

1352
00:56:24,860 --> 00:56:21,900
military-issue satchel and I think it

1353
00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:24,870
was a scalpel in a cow's ear if I

1354
00:56:28,070 --> 00:56:26,490
remember correctly that that was time to

1355
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:28,080
have to give welder Loudoun County on

1356
00:56:35,270 --> 00:56:31,290
the Front Range about the same time of

1357
00:56:39,500 --> 00:56:35,280
the dulski initial dosti cases in 76 but

1358
00:56:40,940 --> 00:56:39,510
it possibly 75 but this is the like I

1359
00:56:43,430 --> 00:56:40,950
said this type of physical evidence is

1360
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:43,440
extremely rare but occasionally you'll

1361
00:56:48,680 --> 00:56:46,410
get evidence of a propwash I had a

1362
00:56:50,930 --> 00:56:48,690
couple of cases in the 70s where it

1363
00:56:53,150 --> 00:56:50,940
appeared a helicopter and sat down the

1364
00:56:54,980 --> 00:56:53,160
downdraft from the rotors had flattened

1365
00:56:56,930 --> 00:56:54,990
the grass you know you know an area that

1366
00:56:59,150 --> 00:56:56,940
was approximately the size of the prop

1367
00:57:02,480 --> 00:56:59,160
wash of a helicopter so these these

1368
00:57:06,380 --> 00:57:02,490
types of you know hints and evidence if

1369
00:57:07,970 --> 00:57:06,390
you will again are pretty rare but this

1370
00:57:10,010 --> 00:57:07,980
is all before you know and great you

1371
00:57:14,390 --> 00:57:10,020
brought this Dulce bass up but this is

1372
00:57:16,120 --> 00:57:14,400
all before the initial stories started

1373
00:57:18,980 --> 00:57:16,130
to come out about the Dulce bass

1374
00:57:20,690 --> 00:57:18,990
partially through the Paul bennewitz

1375
00:57:22,250 --> 00:57:20,700
saga which we've talked about on the car

1376
00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:22,260
cast a number of times we've had great

1377
00:57:26,150 --> 00:57:23,730
Bishop on course he wrote the book

1378
00:57:28,610 --> 00:57:26,160
project beta just probably the most

1379
00:57:30,200 --> 00:57:28,620
in-depth look at that case Phil

1380
00:57:32,300 --> 00:57:30,210
Schneider has been mentioned Krista

1381
00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:32,310
Tolton others who involved in the early

1382
00:57:36,560 --> 00:57:34,650
days of their rumors of the Dulce

1383
00:57:38,600 --> 00:57:36,570
basement what did you dad think about

1384
00:57:41,180 --> 00:57:38,610
that I know he was pretty skeptical

1385
00:57:43,880 --> 00:57:41,190
about a lot of these you know more

1386
00:57:46,730 --> 00:57:43,890
fantastic claims Anthony Sanchez for

1387
00:57:48,830 --> 00:57:46,740
instance says he has a colonel that

1388
00:57:50,810 --> 00:57:48,840
claims as an alien base under there

1389
00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:50,820
where did you dad come down on all that

1390
00:57:55,730 --> 00:57:52,650
how about you I mean you're even law

1391
00:57:57,620 --> 00:57:55,740
enforcement too I mean you know the area

1392
00:57:58,850 --> 00:57:57,630
pretty well so well that brings up a

1393
00:58:01,310 --> 00:57:58,860
good point we were talking about

1394
00:58:02,630 --> 00:58:01,320
evidence found at the Malaysians well my

1395
00:58:04,640 --> 00:58:02,640
dad never ruled out that they weren't

1396
00:58:06,410 --> 00:58:04,650
placing that evidence there to throw off

1397
00:58:09,890 --> 00:58:06,420
investigators he was that meticulous

1398
00:58:11,330 --> 00:58:09,900
still now get into the dossier story we

1399
00:58:13,130 --> 00:58:11,340
live there we saw everything that

1400
00:58:15,080 --> 00:58:13,140
happened there so on Paul bennewitz

1401
00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:15,090
first came out with this story of Oh

1402
00:58:20,060 --> 00:58:17,970
Dulce base they kind of shrugged and my

1403
00:58:21,260 --> 00:58:20,070
dad kind of just shrugged it off but he

1404
00:58:22,789 --> 00:58:21,270
looked into it and he did that with

1405
00:58:25,489 --> 00:58:22,799
everything whether

1406
00:58:27,380 --> 00:58:25,499
so weird theory a solid theory he

1407
00:58:30,739 --> 00:58:27,390
nitpicked it and that's what you have to

1408
00:58:33,109 --> 00:58:30,749
do as a an investigator the key to the

1409
00:58:36,169 --> 00:58:33,119
Paul bennewitz story is he showed up

1410
00:58:37,640 --> 00:58:36,179
with five black and white photos in the

1411
00:58:40,160 --> 00:58:37,650
four of the five didn't show anything

1412
00:58:42,529 --> 00:58:40,170
except for one and even the one the

1413
00:58:46,009 --> 00:58:42,539
photo shows what he says is a crash

1414
00:58:47,929 --> 00:58:46,019
Delta ship now a crashed UFO not a

1415
00:58:52,279 --> 00:58:47,939
crashed alien ship just a delta ship

1416
00:58:54,410 --> 00:58:52,289
well lo and behold my dad and John Gilly

1417
00:58:56,209 --> 00:58:54,420
Edmund Gomez some other investigators

1418
00:58:59,179 --> 00:58:56,219
went up and they found that crash site

1419
00:59:01,279 --> 00:58:59,189
so basically Paul bennewitz we give my

1420
00:59:03,739 --> 00:59:01,289
dad information that was about 80%

1421
00:59:05,299 --> 00:59:03,749
correct and my dad was a kind of a maze

1422
00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:05,309
where he was getting it from because

1423
00:59:08,689 --> 00:59:07,410
Paul wasn't from thule scheme we lived

1424
00:59:11,679 --> 00:59:08,699
there and he would come up with stuff

1425
00:59:13,789 --> 00:59:11,689
and he was accurate and to help people

1426
00:59:15,319 --> 00:59:13,799
figure this out because there's so much

1427
00:59:17,839 --> 00:59:15,329
confusion and there's so much junk

1428
00:59:21,049 --> 00:59:17,849
floating around about jossey-bass the

1429
00:59:22,519 --> 00:59:21,059
80% that was correct is everything

1430
00:59:23,989 --> 00:59:22,529
pretty much Paul bennewitz said it with

1431
00:59:26,329 --> 00:59:23,999
the exception of aliens you take the

1432
00:59:28,669 --> 00:59:26,339
alien part out of it and Paul was pretty

1433
00:59:30,019 --> 00:59:28,679
much spot-on on his information of

1434
00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:30,029
course we found our leader through great

1435
00:59:33,229 --> 00:59:31,890
Bishop and some other resources where he

1436
00:59:36,140 --> 00:59:33,239
was getting his information which was

1437
00:59:37,849 --> 00:59:36,150
the Air Force but um he was accurate

1438
00:59:39,620 --> 00:59:37,859
with a lot of his stuff with the

1439
00:59:42,079 --> 00:59:39,630
exception of aliens so that's what

1440
00:59:43,969 --> 00:59:42,089
started the whole dual sea base of

1441
00:59:45,499 --> 00:59:43,979
course people have added to it for me

1442
00:59:47,779 --> 00:59:45,509
it's easy I've read some of the stuff

1443
00:59:50,359 --> 00:59:47,789
colonel X I knew that was bogus

1444
00:59:52,099 --> 00:59:50,369
well a page into the story just because

1445
00:59:53,749 --> 00:59:52,109
I had lived in the area I knew that the

1446
00:59:55,699 --> 00:59:53,759
story wasn't right plus I know the pump

1447
00:59:57,559 --> 00:59:55,709
in wood story because I met Paul Paul

1448
00:59:59,509 --> 00:59:57,569
wasn't crazy a lot of people have kind

1449
01:00:01,069 --> 00:59:59,519
of Miss represented him as being crazy

1450
01:00:02,630 --> 01:00:01,079
he was actually a sharp guy he was a lot

1451
01:00:06,709 --> 01:00:02,640
like my dad word he's also very

1452
01:00:08,449 --> 01:00:06,719
meticulous in his research also so they

1453
01:00:10,309 --> 01:00:08,459
put a lot of hard work in a lot of hours

1454
01:00:13,219 --> 01:00:10,319
but that's where the Dulce they started

1455
01:00:15,709 --> 01:00:13,229
was to Paul in the Air Force but the

1456
01:00:17,959 --> 01:00:15,719
mutilations the UFOs sightings up in

1457
01:00:20,599 --> 01:00:17,969
Dulce were going on before Paul ever got

1458
01:00:22,819 --> 01:00:20,609
involved in the stories were looking at

1459
01:00:26,089 --> 01:00:22,829
this whole kind of I don't know it's

1460
01:00:28,130 --> 01:00:26,099
almost a myth that's blown up about this

1461
01:00:31,009 --> 01:00:28,140
particular subject of a base at Dulce

1462
01:00:33,859 --> 01:00:31,019
but some of my digging has uncovered

1463
01:00:35,640 --> 01:00:33,869
what could possibly be a rationale to

1464
01:00:38,460 --> 01:00:35,650
have a facility there and

1465
01:00:40,590 --> 01:00:38,470
and because of gas buggy which we

1466
01:00:43,350 --> 01:00:40,600
discussed earlier which did introduce

1467
01:00:45,120 --> 01:00:43,360
radiation into the area one theory has

1468
01:00:47,370 --> 01:00:45,130
it that they went ahead and built an

1469
01:00:49,200 --> 01:00:47,380
underground facility there to store

1470
01:00:51,240 --> 01:00:49,210
nuclear waste because it was already

1471
01:00:54,750 --> 01:00:51,250
elevated levels of radiation in the area

1472
01:00:57,900 --> 01:00:54,760
and they could hide it easier so in that

1473
01:01:00,930 --> 01:00:57,910
the alien base story placing this

1474
01:01:03,240 --> 01:01:00,940
facility under Archuleta Mesa was

1475
01:01:05,400 --> 01:01:03,250
actually a red herring to a facility

1476
01:01:07,710 --> 01:01:05,410
that was under mount Archuleta have you

1477
01:01:09,570 --> 01:01:07,720
heard anything along those lines yes and

1478
01:01:10,980 --> 01:01:09,580
that's actually probably a pretty good

1479
01:01:12,750 --> 01:01:10,990
theory but it's just something we

1480
01:01:14,070 --> 01:01:12,760
haven't been able to prove yet and we're

1481
01:01:15,840 --> 01:01:14,080
looking into it because they're also

1482
01:01:17,820 --> 01:01:15,850
looking at the cancer rates are very

1483
01:01:19,230 --> 01:01:17,830
high in that area of course knowing

1484
01:01:21,930 --> 01:01:19,240
something improving something or two

1485
01:01:23,940 --> 01:01:21,940
different things unfortunately but um

1486
01:01:26,010 --> 01:01:23,950
when people are chasing aliens they're

1487
01:01:27,480 --> 01:01:26,020
not focusing on what's right in front of

1488
01:01:29,730 --> 01:01:27,490
a minute that's a more realistic

1489
01:01:30,990 --> 01:01:29,740
approach on what was really happening

1490
01:01:33,630 --> 01:01:31,000
there was something there something up

1491
01:01:35,220 --> 01:01:33,640
there no people want to assume it aliens

1492
01:01:37,380 --> 01:01:35,230
there's never been proof of it in any

1493
01:01:40,380 --> 01:01:37,390
type of Asians at the Dole CVS or

1494
01:01:42,600 --> 01:01:40,390
anywhere or anywhere but um there was a

1495
01:01:44,580 --> 01:01:42,610
lot of military activity it came from

1496
01:01:47,820 --> 01:01:44,590
the military they actually devotes her

1497
01:01:49,710 --> 01:01:47,830
own secrets they made a mistake giving

1498
01:01:51,630 --> 01:01:49,720
that information at all you gotta go

1499
01:01:53,670 --> 01:01:51,640
over the evidence follows takes you and

1500
01:01:55,380 --> 01:01:53,680
it takes you to certain parts of it and

1501
01:01:57,300 --> 01:01:55,390
filtering it is the hard part and that's

1502
01:01:59,550 --> 01:01:57,310
what the purpose of the book was to get

1503
01:02:01,590 --> 01:01:59,560
people back on track get them looking

1504
01:02:03,750 --> 01:02:01,600
where they should be looking because if

1505
01:02:05,760 --> 01:02:03,760
there is contamination people American

1506
01:02:08,220 --> 01:02:05,770
people need to know about it well I've

1507
01:02:10,080 --> 01:02:08,230
heard that the area surrounding the

1508
01:02:12,380 --> 01:02:10,090
dulce has some of the highest rates of

1509
01:02:15,480 --> 01:02:12,390
environmental cancers in the nation and

1510
01:02:17,940 --> 01:02:15,490
there's a scientist of both a doctor

1511
01:02:20,820 --> 01:02:17,950
that you and I both know who's working

1512
01:02:24,660 --> 01:02:20,830
very quietly and sort of behind the

1513
01:02:26,580 --> 01:02:24,670
scenes working on a survey of radiate

1514
01:02:29,670 --> 01:02:26,590
above-ground radiation levels in the

1515
01:02:32,640 --> 01:02:29,680
area how much work have you done looking

1516
01:02:35,430 --> 01:02:32,650
into radiation in the environment out

1517
01:02:37,200 --> 01:02:35,440
there and and what what what's a

1518
01:02:37,800 --> 01:02:37,210
progress report on what this doctor has

1519
01:02:39,450 --> 01:02:37,810
been doing

1520
01:02:41,040 --> 01:02:39,460
actually I've done a lot of research

1521
01:02:43,110 --> 01:02:41,050
into it because that's more of a story

1522
01:02:44,430 --> 01:02:43,120
and I know that kind of burst the

1523
01:02:46,920 --> 01:02:44,440
balloon for a lot of people that will

1524
01:02:48,540 --> 01:02:46,930
find aliens up and we'll see but that's

1525
01:02:48,960 --> 01:02:48,550
the reality of what's really a lot of a

1526
01:02:51,000 --> 01:02:48,970
suffix

1527
01:02:53,310 --> 01:02:51,010
going on oh he's still doing research

1528
01:02:55,710 --> 01:02:53,320
into it I've been doing research the

1529
01:02:57,990 --> 01:02:55,720
hard part with this cancer stuff is if

1530
01:02:59,580 --> 01:02:58,000
you ask try to gather statistics you'll

1531
01:03:01,470 --> 01:02:59,590
get twenty different answers from 20

1532
01:03:03,599 --> 01:03:01,480
different health organizations and

1533
01:03:06,390 --> 01:03:03,609
they're gonna blame your lifestyle

1534
01:03:09,450 --> 01:03:06,400
choices how much you eat how much you

1535
01:03:10,770 --> 01:03:09,460
dream where you live so proving like I

1536
01:03:12,510 --> 01:03:10,780
said earlier proving something and

1537
01:03:14,400 --> 01:03:12,520
knowing something are two different

1538
01:03:17,760 --> 01:03:14,410
things and that's been the hardest part

1539
01:03:20,040 --> 01:03:17,770
so there needs to be more research done

1540
01:03:22,200 --> 01:03:20,050
on this especially the water tables the

1541
01:03:24,089 --> 01:03:22,210
NAM that doctor was looking into some of

1542
01:03:25,589 --> 01:03:24,099
that stuff that hopefully will keep

1543
01:03:27,750 --> 01:03:25,599
pushing it forward and we're still

1544
01:03:28,890 --> 01:03:27,760
looking into it also when we get into

1545
01:03:30,390 --> 01:03:28,900
our next segment I'm going to want to

1546
01:03:31,890 --> 01:03:30,400
ask a few questions here not to

1547
01:03:34,260 --> 01:03:31,900
interrupt Chris because he's doing an

1548
01:03:36,960 --> 01:03:34,270
interview for the show in the book but a

1549
01:03:38,670 --> 01:03:36,970
few questions about the rumored alien

1550
01:03:40,650 --> 01:03:38,680
connection with all this stuff Greg

1551
01:03:46,030 --> 01:03:40,660
Valdez joins us with gene and Chris

1552
01:03:50,809 --> 01:03:48,339
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1650
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1651
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para cast comm Chris O'Brien is in

1656
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Albuquerque New Mexico

1657
01:08:19,030 --> 01:08:16,190
at the home of Greg Valdez and he's

1658
01:08:22,660 --> 01:08:19,040
written a fascinating new book covering

1659
01:08:25,150 --> 01:08:22,670
the life of Game Valdez who investigated

1660
01:08:27,940 --> 01:08:25,160
the dulce based stories and cattle

1661
01:08:30,420 --> 01:08:27,950
mutilations so Greg want to ask you here

1662
01:08:34,180 --> 01:08:30,430
when people talk of cattle mutilations

1663
01:08:36,730 --> 01:08:34,190
invariably there is that UFO and or

1664
01:08:40,390 --> 01:08:36,740
alien connections so what's the reality

1665
01:08:42,280 --> 01:08:40,400
check here well I like if they're

1666
01:08:43,750 --> 01:08:42,290
connected to aliens I've never seen

1667
01:08:46,300 --> 01:08:43,760
proof of it so I'd like to see someone

1668
01:08:47,620 --> 01:08:46,310
proof it's fine if people even though

1669
01:08:49,540 --> 01:08:47,630
there's no I'm not shooting that down

1670
01:08:51,370 --> 01:08:49,550
but don't you've never been evidence of

1671
01:08:54,190 --> 01:08:51,380
that especially in the Dulce area if

1672
01:08:55,480 --> 01:08:54,200
people have evidence be nice to see it

1673
01:08:58,480 --> 01:08:55,490
because it's always been tied into

1674
01:09:00,520 --> 01:08:58,490
government or humans if you follow that

1675
01:09:02,710 --> 01:09:00,530
TRO it'll take you down a clearly marked

1676
01:09:04,900 --> 01:09:02,720
trail from all the stuff I've seen that

1677
01:09:07,230 --> 01:09:04,910
my dad's ever gathered now that's one of

1678
01:09:10,090 --> 01:09:07,240
the things here that can be said about

1679
01:09:13,090 --> 01:09:10,100
probably more than a few UFO sightings

1680
01:09:15,309 --> 01:09:13,100
you can trace it to tests of secret

1681
01:09:18,130 --> 01:09:15,319
aircraft some sort of government efforts

1682
01:09:20,980 --> 01:09:18,140
that's not unusual is it no one that's

1683
01:09:23,079 --> 01:09:20,990
part of the Dulce story the book it goes

1684
01:09:24,670 --> 01:09:23,089
into detail because we were actually

1685
01:09:27,160 --> 01:09:24,680
able to take photographs of these

1686
01:09:28,900 --> 01:09:27,170
aircraft up in the dossier area so in

1687
01:09:32,170 --> 01:09:28,910
the book I call it area 52

1688
01:09:34,090 --> 01:09:32,180
I just don't know a better explanation

1689
01:09:36,250 --> 01:09:34,100
or name for it but it seems like Dulce

1690
01:09:37,930 --> 01:09:36,260
is just an off-site testing facility for

1691
01:09:40,329 --> 01:09:37,940
a lot of their secret the military

1692
01:09:43,030 --> 01:09:40,339
secret projects that's what the evidence

1693
01:09:44,260 --> 01:09:43,040
points to of them we were like I said we

1694
01:09:45,940 --> 01:09:44,270
were able to take several photographs

1695
01:09:49,150 --> 01:09:45,950
different photographs of this military

1696
01:09:51,720 --> 01:09:49,160
technology it's not alien it's just

1697
01:09:54,310 --> 01:09:51,730
high-tech reconnaissance aircraft

1698
01:09:56,890 --> 01:09:54,320
military ones that keep classified I

1699
01:10:02,320 --> 01:09:56,900
know it's boring for people but that's

1700
01:10:03,130 --> 01:10:02,330
what it is guys can we then see if there

1701
01:10:05,560 --> 01:10:03,140
are certain if

1702
01:10:08,290 --> 01:10:05,570
vendors out there who feel it's much

1703
01:10:09,970 --> 01:10:08,300
better for their agendas to push the

1704
01:10:13,060 --> 01:10:09,980
alien connection with all this stuff

1705
01:10:15,550 --> 01:10:13,070
yeah that makes perfect sense to me

1706
01:10:18,700 --> 01:10:15,560
because if you look at the time line you

1707
01:10:21,520 --> 01:10:18,710
talk about Roswell you guys were talking

1708
01:10:23,800 --> 01:10:21,530
about a stick a little bit earlier 47

1709
01:10:26,680 --> 01:10:23,810
was a key key here for a lot of the

1710
01:10:29,590 --> 01:10:26,690
stuff starts where you got Bravo project

1711
01:10:32,080 --> 01:10:29,600
Bluebook different crashes but if you

1712
01:10:34,150 --> 01:10:32,090
the havens are kind of sporadic the

1713
01:10:35,710 --> 01:10:34,160
stories come in and out but there's not

1714
01:10:37,900 --> 01:10:35,720
really a good time frame but if you look

1715
01:10:39,610 --> 01:10:37,910
at it in the books documented the

1716
01:10:42,160 --> 01:10:39,620
technology that's actually been around

1717
01:10:43,660 --> 01:10:42,170
for a long time you can see the the

1718
01:10:46,000 --> 01:10:43,670
military's been involved with a lot of

1719
01:10:47,800 --> 01:10:46,010
the secret of aircraft technology since

1720
01:10:49,810 --> 01:10:47,810
around the same time period and then it

1721
01:10:51,610 --> 01:10:49,820
all starts the puzzle starts to come

1722
01:10:54,550 --> 01:10:51,620
together if you know where to look and

1723
01:10:56,200 --> 01:10:54,560
what to look for um if you're looking

1724
01:10:57,730 --> 01:10:56,210
for aliens you're not gonna find too

1725
01:10:59,650 --> 01:10:57,740
much stuff up there but if you look for

1726
01:11:01,750 --> 01:10:59,660
specific propulsion systems like laser

1727
01:11:04,630 --> 01:11:01,760
propulsion systems microwave propulsion

1728
01:11:07,810 --> 01:11:04,640
systems it'll get you back in line on

1729
01:11:10,300 --> 01:11:07,820
part of a lot of these potential UFO

1730
01:11:13,330 --> 01:11:10,310
sightings probably are and it all fits

1731
01:11:14,920 --> 01:11:13,340
with the time frame of 4750 they were

1732
01:11:17,230 --> 01:11:14,930
working on the government was working on

1733
01:11:18,130 --> 01:11:17,240
these type o we call them you are fools

1734
01:11:19,780 --> 01:11:18,140
just because they don't look like

1735
01:11:22,330 --> 01:11:19,790
conventional aircraft but that

1736
01:11:24,220 --> 01:11:22,340
technology's been around for a while and

1737
01:11:26,110 --> 01:11:24,230
there are some smart scientists that

1738
01:11:27,670 --> 01:11:26,120
work out there and it's not out of the

1739
01:11:31,150 --> 01:11:27,680
question for them to develop some of

1740
01:11:32,800 --> 01:11:31,160
these aircraft in dual c-e-o we're able

1741
01:11:36,070 --> 01:11:32,810
to take photographs of this high-tech

1742
01:11:38,260 --> 01:11:36,080
aircraft and this was back in the 80s it

1743
01:11:40,270 --> 01:11:38,270
was invisible and silent not it has

1744
01:11:41,920 --> 01:11:40,280
nothing to do with UFOs or aliens yeah

1745
01:11:45,190 --> 01:11:41,930
describe describe some of the shots I

1746
01:11:46,750 --> 01:11:45,200
know your dad was convinced uh at some

1747
01:11:49,930 --> 01:11:46,760
one point and towards the end of this

1748
01:11:52,440 --> 01:11:49,940
70s that lighter-than-air craft were

1749
01:11:54,520 --> 01:11:52,450
being used once you describe what you

1750
01:11:56,470 --> 01:11:54,530
remember as you said it was invisible

1751
01:11:59,920 --> 01:11:56,480
but you have photographs I'm a little

1752
01:12:02,170 --> 01:11:59,930
confused on that Plus also microwave and

1753
01:12:04,900 --> 01:12:02,180
laser propulsion I'm a little confused

1754
01:12:06,580 --> 01:12:04,910
about those those terms but once you

1755
01:12:07,990 --> 01:12:06,590
describe some of the craft that was seen

1756
01:12:10,720 --> 01:12:08,000
by people around there including your

1757
01:12:12,070 --> 01:12:10,730
dad and yourself well when they first

1758
01:12:14,340 --> 01:12:12,080
started seeing these lights they ever

1759
01:12:16,240 --> 01:12:14,350
seen the common orange light which

1760
01:12:16,890 --> 01:12:16,250
resembled what most people will call it

1761
01:12:19,270 --> 01:12:16,900
UFO

1762
01:12:21,609 --> 01:12:19,280
that's no big deal so they cheer to

1763
01:12:24,339 --> 01:12:21,619
disappear fly in unconventional ways up

1764
01:12:28,750 --> 01:12:24,349
down sideways from one place to another

1765
01:12:29,770 --> 01:12:28,760
so that's what kind of it was associated

1766
01:12:32,109 --> 01:12:29,780
with Dulce that's why a lot of these

1767
01:12:34,719 --> 01:12:32,119
people came did we'll see almost time

1768
01:12:36,399 --> 01:12:34,729
went on though my dad was able to figure

1769
01:12:38,379 --> 01:12:36,409
on this was about non arch and led over

1770
01:12:40,509 --> 01:12:38,389
the dulce base was supposed to be and

1771
01:12:42,640 --> 01:12:40,519
this came from Paul bennewitz they

1772
01:12:45,549 --> 01:12:42,650
figured out that if you the camera lens

1773
01:12:47,109 --> 01:12:45,559
would pick up this aircraft or you the

1774
01:12:48,939 --> 01:12:47,119
naked I wouldn't see about part of the

1775
01:12:51,489 --> 01:12:48,949
chemical system of course now if you do

1776
01:12:53,350 --> 01:12:51,499
research on it the government has has it

1777
01:12:55,660 --> 01:12:53,360
it's currently available it's somewhat

1778
01:12:57,609 --> 01:12:55,670
classic look like cloaking yeah but it's

1779
01:12:59,379 --> 01:12:57,619
called out optical camouflage that they

1780
01:13:01,629 --> 01:12:59,389
use only a lights tube in light waves

1781
01:13:04,089 --> 01:13:01,639
and that's why the camera picks it up in

1782
01:13:06,069 --> 01:13:04,099
your eye doesn't pick it oh so we were

1783
01:13:08,229 --> 01:13:06,079
my dad stumbled onto it they were just

1784
01:13:09,759 --> 01:13:08,239
taking pictures about random pictures of

1785
01:13:11,890 --> 01:13:09,769
the area and one day would go would

1786
01:13:13,779 --> 01:13:11,900
develop the film no digital cameras back

1787
01:13:15,939 --> 01:13:13,789
then this is an old-fashioned film these

1788
01:13:18,969 --> 01:13:15,949
aircraft with pop open low on the

1789
01:13:20,439 --> 01:13:18,979
photographs and other researchers have

1790
01:13:21,850 --> 01:13:20,449
also found it they don't I don't know if

1791
01:13:23,649 --> 01:13:21,860
they necessarily know what they found

1792
01:13:26,439 --> 01:13:23,659
but they figured that out and Paul

1793
01:13:29,169 --> 01:13:26,449
bennewitz helped get this story going by

1794
01:13:30,399 --> 01:13:29,179
nut story but he took my dad to take

1795
01:13:32,049 --> 01:13:30,409
pictures and a lot of times it would

1796
01:13:34,930 --> 01:13:32,059
come out of it sure enough they will

1797
01:13:36,790 --> 01:13:34,940
come out um to add to that story when

1798
01:13:38,410 --> 01:13:36,800
one of the photographs that was taking

1799
01:13:40,870 --> 01:13:38,420
up by monarchs about of where the dual

1800
01:13:44,620 --> 01:13:40,880
sea bass is supposed to be no sound was

1801
01:13:47,439 --> 01:13:44,630
labs CIA a guy with the CIA NSA

1802
01:13:49,779 --> 01:13:47,449
connection became involved and kinda

1803
01:13:51,580 --> 01:13:49,789
took that photo and had it enlarged and

1804
01:13:53,830 --> 01:13:51,590
when he enlarged it of course we had Los

1805
01:13:55,689 --> 01:13:53,840
Alamos labs enlarged it you can see the

1806
01:13:57,879 --> 01:13:55,699
graphic detail it's not an alien craft

1807
01:13:58,449 --> 01:13:57,889
but it's a pretty high-tech American

1808
01:14:00,250 --> 01:13:58,459
aircraft

1809
01:14:02,229 --> 01:14:00,260
there's where a lot of the secrecy comes

1810
01:14:05,649 --> 01:14:02,239
in and the kind of a hot potato of

1811
01:14:07,989 --> 01:14:05,659
almost you want to declassify before you

1812
01:14:09,969 --> 01:14:07,999
get in trouble you know it was pretty

1813
01:14:11,560 --> 01:14:09,979
apparent and this was back in the mid

1814
01:14:13,089 --> 01:14:11,570
80s they've had this technology so you

1815
01:14:15,009 --> 01:14:13,099
can imagine what they have now and

1816
01:14:17,469 --> 01:14:15,019
that's been a big catching point for a

1817
01:14:20,080 --> 01:14:17,479
lot of the alien people as they say well

1818
01:14:21,969 --> 01:14:20,090
we don't know about this technology so

1819
01:14:24,179 --> 01:14:21,979
it has to come from aliens and that's

1820
01:14:26,259 --> 01:14:24,189
not necessarily always the case because

1821
01:14:27,699 --> 01:14:26,269
there's a lot of technology we don't

1822
01:14:29,820 --> 01:14:27,709
know about just because it's classified

1823
01:14:31,770 --> 01:14:29,830
and now if you go back in the research

1824
01:14:33,150 --> 01:14:31,780
historical stuff it's very worrying I'll

1825
01:14:37,220 --> 01:14:33,160
tell you because I've done a ton of it

1826
01:14:40,200 --> 01:14:37,230
it dates back to the forties even the 35

1827
01:14:41,670 --> 01:14:40,210
1935 and some other early years so

1828
01:14:43,440 --> 01:14:41,680
that's kind of been the big catching

1829
01:14:45,690 --> 01:14:43,450
point for a lot of alien communities

1830
01:14:48,060 --> 01:14:45,700
what's weird we don't know about it so

1831
01:14:51,600 --> 01:14:48,070
therefore it has to come from aliens and

1832
01:14:54,510 --> 01:14:51,610
us be aliens my research my dad research

1833
01:14:56,610 --> 01:14:54,520
that it's not the case we're able to tie

1834
01:14:58,200 --> 01:14:56,620
it to humans and scientists and

1835
01:14:59,940 --> 01:14:58,210
government projects is what it comes

1836
01:15:01,920 --> 01:14:59,950
down to well you bring up an interesting

1837
01:15:04,980 --> 01:15:01,930
point that your dad was digging around

1838
01:15:07,500 --> 01:15:04,990
into and Paul bennewitz we're digging

1839
01:15:09,720 --> 01:15:07,510
around into areas that were possibly

1840
01:15:12,240 --> 01:15:09,730
highly classified and that attracted the

1841
01:15:13,290 --> 01:15:12,250
attention I think of some individuals

1842
01:15:15,000 --> 01:15:13,300
within the government intelligence

1843
01:15:16,530 --> 01:15:15,010
community once you tell us a little bit

1844
01:15:19,830 --> 01:15:16,540
about some of the things that were found

1845
01:15:21,870 --> 01:15:19,840
in houses some of the odd circumstances

1846
01:15:23,940 --> 01:15:21,880
that happened at the height of some of

1847
01:15:26,190 --> 01:15:23,950
this research work well Greg Bishop has

1848
01:15:29,160 --> 01:15:26,200
documented in his book project Vado how

1849
01:15:31,470 --> 01:15:29,170
the NSA and CIA was involved in the

1850
01:15:33,660 --> 01:15:31,480
massive surveillance program on Paul

1851
01:15:36,630 --> 01:15:33,670
bennewitz but they were also monitoring

1852
01:15:38,130 --> 01:15:36,640
my dad in the Gomez family because we

1853
01:15:39,510 --> 01:15:38,140
were able to find a listening to my dad

1854
01:15:41,490 --> 01:15:39,520
found a listening device in our house

1855
01:15:44,160 --> 01:15:41,500
the Gomez family found two of them in

1856
01:15:45,960 --> 01:15:44,170
their house they were keeping close tabs

1857
01:15:47,640 --> 01:15:45,970
and keep in mind you will see my dad was

1858
01:15:49,530 --> 01:15:47,650
a police officer up there we never

1859
01:15:52,050 --> 01:15:49,540
locked the door to leave the keys in the

1860
01:15:54,480 --> 01:15:52,060
in the truck so it's not it would have

1861
01:15:56,490 --> 01:15:54,490
been that hard to actually break in we

1862
01:15:59,250 --> 01:15:56,500
drive to the other town and blocks only

1863
01:16:00,750 --> 01:15:59,260
keep out honest people yeah was a

1864
01:16:04,140 --> 01:16:00,760
different story young specially after

1865
01:16:05,970 --> 01:16:04,150
emulations know they were cautious and

1866
01:16:08,400 --> 01:16:05,980
some professionals went in to place

1867
01:16:10,140 --> 01:16:08,410
those devices it wasn't some rinky-dink

1868
01:16:12,030 --> 01:16:10,150
job of course is there the days of the

1869
01:16:13,500 --> 01:16:12,040
rotary phone you couldn't just hack into

1870
01:16:15,570 --> 01:16:13,510
it with the computer like you can down

1871
01:16:17,280 --> 01:16:15,580
with a digital stuff but on there was

1872
01:16:21,540 --> 01:16:17,290
the heart of them because you physically

1873
01:16:23,070 --> 01:16:21,550
had to tap the actual wire pointing to

1874
01:16:25,080 --> 01:16:23,080
your individual connection we'll have

1875
01:16:27,150 --> 01:16:25,090
more some yes indeed

1876
01:16:29,940 --> 01:16:27,160
Greg Valdez joining gene and Chris

1877
01:16:37,340 --> 01:16:29,950
you're in the barrack ask

1878
01:16:44,070 --> 01:16:40,919
are you tired of searching for great

1879
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you this is the wrong flower cluster of

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beautiful on Cyclopes other books when

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you're listening to the podcast so the

1981
01:21:12,680 --> 01:21:10,260
impression I get Greg Valdez on the para

1982
01:21:14,990 --> 01:21:12,690
cast with teen and Chris is that if we

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go back in time before we had all the

1984
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digital technology it was a lot harder

1985
01:21:21,470 --> 01:21:20,489
to do all this stuff spying tapping

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01:21:23,660 --> 01:21:21,480
phones and all that

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01:21:25,100 --> 01:21:23,670
yes you're on a person correct because

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they actually have to physically place

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the listening devices on the phones like

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now you can do it in a computer from

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Washington or a thousand miles away and

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they just hack into the line but back

1993
01:21:38,689 --> 01:21:35,340
then they actually had to place the

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books on the phones themselves like I

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said my dad found one at our house and

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the Ole Miss family found a couple at

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their house it was the time time frame

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on that and him what was your dad's

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01:21:50,600 --> 01:21:48,060
thinking about that I mean what what did

2000
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he do once he found these devices well

2001
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as a robo early eighties and it's when

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01:21:54,680 --> 01:21:53,969
Paul bennewitz became involved with

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Richard Doty

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you know Ernest Edwards because my dad

2005
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another later came to the conclusion is

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and we later figured out just going

2007
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through like great bishops work the Doty

2008
01:22:11,120 --> 01:22:09,330
and Edwards actually leaked out too much

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01:22:13,040 --> 01:22:11,130
information so they were actually

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01:22:15,919 --> 01:22:13,050
monitoring Doty and Edwards and that's

2011
01:22:17,540 --> 01:22:15,929
why they were tapping my dad's phone in

2012
01:22:20,450 --> 01:22:17,550
Manuel Gomez as they were trying to do

2013
01:22:22,609 --> 01:22:20,460
damage control to see how far the their

2014
01:22:24,050 --> 01:22:22,619
information that leaked out and that

2015
01:22:26,120 --> 01:22:24,060
sounds like a pretty good assessment

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from the stuff my dad had covered almost

2017
01:22:31,160 --> 01:22:29,400
lucid moments I guess huh when you think

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01:22:33,020 --> 01:22:31,170
about it the whole Lucy story was

2019
01:22:34,700 --> 01:22:33,030
started by the Air Force they gave up a

2020
01:22:36,140 --> 01:22:34,710
lot of their classifieds because a lot

2021
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of this stuff would still be secretive

2022
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if they would have provided it to Paul

2023
01:22:42,680 --> 01:22:40,290
bennewitz and going back to surveillance

2024
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on we were at Paul's house one night

2025
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because we used to come down quite a bit

2026
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my dad would visit with them we stay

2027
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there for hours we went out to eat at a

2028
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restaurant in Eagle he told us it was

2029
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that Jeep is following us I still

2030
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remember the color the Jeep the guy

2031
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driving it sure enough he follow the

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all of us to go eat dinner and then we

2033
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went back to Paul's house and they

2034
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followed us back to the house so my dad

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knew enough about being in law

2036
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enforcement he knew that it wasn't a

2037
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game anymore because they found the

2038
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listening devices we had people

2039
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following us around but once again

2040
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nothing to do with eating that just

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shows you good people are interested in

2042
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what he was finding it wasn't a game he

2043
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found out pretty quick it wasn't they

2044
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weren't messing around mm-hmm I have a

2045
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question Greg

2046
01:23:31,280 --> 01:23:28,350
what about Freedom of Information Act

2047
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did you or your dad ever send these

2048
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requests to see what the government had

2049
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on file about you - no my dad messed

2050
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with you a little bit but though this is

2051
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a kind of a tip for people to try a

2052
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Freedom of Information SB Act request

2053
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because they're not going to give you

2054
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stuff do you want classified so if you

2055
01:23:50,720 --> 01:23:48,810
send a Freedom of Information Act

2056
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request for about you a-holes you're not

2057
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going to get anything I mentioned

2058
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earlier do Freedom of Information Act

2059
01:23:58,640 --> 01:23:56,430
request for propulsion laser propulsion

2060
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system some of this stuff that you think

2061
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might not be it's boring but that's the

2062
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key to it look into propulsion systems

2063
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you got to look think like an

2064
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investigator don't look at the obvious

2065
01:24:13,370 --> 01:24:09,900
ask for things that are probably

2066
01:24:16,190 --> 01:24:13,380
Declassified now of course back in 79 85

2067
01:24:17,480 --> 01:24:16,200
they were classified still but now you'd

2068
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probably have a lot easier time getting

2069
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to hold a lot of these documents and

2070
01:24:22,130 --> 01:24:20,730
there's a ton of it out there you can

2071
01:24:26,420 --> 01:24:22,140
get a lot of it just off the internet

2072
01:24:27,920 --> 01:24:26,430
from the DOA websites third archives but

2073
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if you do Freedom of Information Act

2074
01:24:31,370 --> 01:24:29,640
requests you just got to know how to

2075
01:24:33,290 --> 01:24:31,380
request the information it's knowing

2076
01:24:34,850 --> 01:24:33,300
what you're looking for what so

2077
01:24:37,700 --> 01:24:34,860
hopefully the book will kind of get you

2078
01:24:41,150 --> 01:24:37,710
in the area of what to look for and what

2079
01:24:43,040 --> 01:24:41,160
to ask for so long but then the cadet

2080
01:24:45,410 --> 01:24:43,050
opens a door like Project Aquarius they

2081
01:24:48,320 --> 01:24:45,420
had people spinning their their wheels

2082
01:24:49,580 --> 01:24:48,330
looking for documents and if it's really

2083
01:24:51,170 --> 01:24:49,590
classified you're not gonna get it

2084
01:24:54,500 --> 01:24:51,180
anyway even though they're supposed to

2085
01:24:56,390 --> 01:24:54,510
get it um but if you you have to go

2086
01:24:57,800 --> 01:24:56,400
through other angles and they'll kind of

2087
01:25:00,230 --> 01:24:57,810
go through the back doors what you have

2088
01:25:02,570 --> 01:25:00,240
to do to get good information you know

2089
01:25:04,490 --> 01:25:02,580
you mentioned before that your dad

2090
01:25:06,290 --> 01:25:04,500
DuckTales some of his efforts with other

2091
01:25:08,170 --> 01:25:06,300
law enforcement groups what did he learn

2092
01:25:10,450 --> 01:25:08,180
from the Royal Canadian Mounted Police

2093
01:25:12,490 --> 01:25:10,460
because they they did quite a bit of

2094
01:25:15,580 --> 01:25:12,500
work up there in the 70s and 80s and

2095
01:25:17,320 --> 01:25:15,590
they did a lot of forensic testing what

2096
01:25:19,870 --> 01:25:17,330
sort of impression did he have of their

2097
01:25:21,550 --> 01:25:19,880
effort and what were they finding they

2098
01:25:23,860 --> 01:25:21,560
were basically finding a lot of the same

2099
01:25:26,440 --> 01:25:23,870
stuff that he was finding at Dulce their

2100
01:25:27,970 --> 01:25:26,450
main focus was trying to get trends or

2101
01:25:29,800 --> 01:25:27,980
patterns figured out so they could try

2102
01:25:32,470 --> 01:25:29,810
to catch them in the act

2103
01:25:33,970 --> 01:25:32,480
which is easier said than done but on a

2104
01:25:36,580 --> 01:25:33,980
lot of the stuff mirrored what was

2105
01:25:38,800 --> 01:25:36,590
happening in the United States it just

2106
01:25:40,300 --> 01:25:38,810
happened to be in Canada so they were

2107
01:25:41,860 --> 01:25:40,310
sharing a lot of stuff and I haven't

2108
01:25:43,540 --> 01:25:41,870
looked at it for why I'd have to dig it

2109
01:25:46,450 --> 01:25:43,550
up and look at it so I don't remember

2110
01:25:47,470 --> 01:25:46,460
all of it off the top of my memory but

2111
01:25:49,060 --> 01:25:47,480
I'd have to dig it out but they were

2112
01:25:51,130 --> 01:25:49,070
finding a lot of a similar stuff oh he

2113
01:25:53,980 --> 01:25:51,140
also worked with sheriff Tex graves up

2114
01:25:56,350 --> 01:25:53,990
in Logan County Colorado and they were

2115
01:25:58,480 --> 01:25:56,360
sharing notes um which you don't see

2116
01:25:59,950 --> 01:25:58,490
that is the in law enforcement law

2117
01:26:01,990 --> 01:25:59,960
enforcement agencies are supposed to

2118
01:26:03,550 --> 01:26:02,000
work together but they they do not like

2119
01:26:05,620 --> 01:26:03,560
they used to in those seventies and

2120
01:26:07,960 --> 01:26:05,630
eighties it's unfortunate because that's

2121
01:26:09,640 --> 01:26:07,970
how you share a lot of good information

2122
01:26:11,670 --> 01:26:09,650
is by working with these people

2123
01:26:14,500 --> 01:26:11,680
throughout the country because this

2124
01:26:16,810 --> 01:26:14,510
headache is spread out so far that it's

2125
01:26:18,520 --> 01:26:16,820
hard to coordinate so someone in Texas

2126
01:26:21,490 --> 01:26:18,530
might have a vital piece of evidence but

2127
01:26:22,900 --> 01:26:21,500
if you never connect to him it's hard to

2128
01:26:24,820 --> 01:26:22,910
put the pieces together

2129
01:26:27,610 --> 01:26:24,830
yeah that's why the efforts of project

2130
01:26:30,120 --> 01:26:27,620
stigma which was Tom Adams effort to be

2131
01:26:33,730 --> 01:26:30,130
a clearinghouse for emulation related

2132
01:26:35,350 --> 01:26:33,740
information which he as soon as he found

2133
01:26:37,840 --> 01:26:35,360
out a case would happen in a particular

2134
01:26:40,600 --> 01:26:37,850
state or no County in the state he would

2135
01:26:43,810 --> 01:26:40,610
immediately contact the sheriff's send

2136
01:26:45,910 --> 01:26:43,820
him the information that he had and and

2137
01:26:48,000 --> 01:26:45,920
put him in touch with other sheriffs and

2138
01:26:50,860 --> 01:26:48,010
create a network of law enforcement

2139
01:26:54,370 --> 01:26:50,870
officials who could compare notes with

2140
01:26:56,290 --> 01:26:54,380
each other and I have always thought

2141
01:26:58,980 --> 01:26:56,300
that Dulce was kind of almost a

2142
01:27:03,580 --> 01:26:58,990
stand-alone situation because of the

2143
01:27:06,610 --> 01:27:03,590
Hickory Apache reservation there and I

2144
01:27:08,950 --> 01:27:06,620
always felt that there was something key

2145
01:27:11,110 --> 01:27:08,960
about the the fact that there was a res

2146
01:27:13,090 --> 01:27:11,120
there and some of the cases in South

2147
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Dakota as well on the Pine Ridge Indian

2148
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Reservation and normally you didn't see

2149
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these cases on Indian Reservation

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except for these two and I've always

2151
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felt that there's some clue there for us

2152
01:27:29,380 --> 01:27:27,530
and one thing that some of the naysayers

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about the Malaysian phenomenon in

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particular said Gregg is that only small

2155
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kind of family ranchers reported

2156
01:27:44,650 --> 01:27:39,950
mutilation cases that none of the big

2157
01:27:46,870 --> 01:27:44,660
huge cattle operations in Texas some of

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01:27:49,990 --> 01:27:46,880
the feedlots in Kansas Nebraska ever

2159
01:27:52,180 --> 01:27:50,000
report in these cases what do you think

2160
01:27:54,670 --> 01:27:52,190
of that do you think it's possibly

2161
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because of the location that these cases

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none of these farmers have being ranches

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01:28:01,720 --> 01:27:59,900
are being victimized what you're

2164
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thinking what was your dad thinking well

2165
01:28:05,170 --> 01:28:03,680
going back earlier like I mentioned they

2166
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were trying to find patterns it looked

2167
01:28:09,940 --> 01:28:08,090
like the Gomez herd was targeted for

2168
01:28:12,760 --> 01:28:09,950
genetic reasons that herd have been in

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the area for around 100 years because

2170
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the Gomez family found it the time

2171
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abbulu see they were there before the

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01:28:21,310 --> 01:28:18,530
tribe was there um they would bring in a

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thousand head of Mexican steers to the

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dulce area for summer grazing every year

2175
01:28:27,880 --> 01:28:24,530
they'd never be late again near those

2176
01:28:30,640 --> 01:28:27,890
cattle so the trend they noticed in the

2177
01:28:32,620 --> 01:28:30,650
Dulce areas Raleigh Tafoya is a good

2178
01:28:35,410 --> 01:28:32,630
example his cattle have been around for

2179
01:28:39,400 --> 01:28:35,420
several generations and you go back into

2180
01:28:40,990 --> 01:28:39,410
the testing of like radiation type

2181
01:28:43,870 --> 01:28:41,000
issues it looked like they were

2182
01:28:46,200 --> 01:28:43,880
targeting Kurds that were from the area

2183
01:28:48,580 --> 01:28:46,210
for a specific reason um it doesn't

2184
01:28:50,410 --> 01:28:48,590
let's assume they're doing radiation

2185
01:28:52,570 --> 01:28:50,420
testing it doesn't do any good if you're

2186
01:28:54,220 --> 01:28:52,580
testing the cow from Texas it's in the

2187
01:28:55,930 --> 01:28:54,230
Dulce area for two months out of the

2188
01:28:58,600 --> 01:28:55,940
year and then they ship it off to

2189
01:29:00,850 --> 01:28:58,610
slaughter or back to a winter range you

2190
01:29:02,920 --> 01:29:00,860
know so it always seemed that cows that

2191
01:29:05,020 --> 01:29:02,930
they would find word in did you astute

2192
01:29:07,600 --> 01:29:05,030
at area that's the pattern that they

2193
01:29:09,250 --> 01:29:07,610
they seem to notice and develop and now

2194
01:29:10,900 --> 01:29:09,260
going back to you mentioned the Indian

2195
01:29:13,360 --> 01:29:10,910
reservations that might be a key reason

2196
01:29:15,580 --> 01:29:13,370
why you'll see had such was such a hot

2197
01:29:18,160 --> 01:29:15,590
spot because of some of the research I

2198
01:29:19,660 --> 01:29:18,170
did for the book it looked like he looks

2199
01:29:20,980 --> 01:29:19,670
like a lot of the Indian reservations

2200
01:29:23,770 --> 01:29:20,990
are targeted because if you look at

2201
01:29:25,960 --> 01:29:23,780
Yucca Flats so Dulce is a good example a

2202
01:29:28,450 --> 01:29:25,970
lot of military testing was

2203
01:29:29,260 --> 01:29:28,460
traditionally done near Indian

2204
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reservations

2205
01:29:33,779 --> 01:29:32,180
China Lakes similar oh and that's a

2206
01:29:35,160 --> 01:29:33,789
whole other citation

2207
01:29:37,290 --> 01:29:35,170
on occasion to Nagas that's another

2208
01:29:40,020 --> 01:29:37,300
conversation but because it's boring

2209
01:29:42,060 --> 01:29:40,030
it's not very fun research but if you go

2210
01:29:44,160 --> 01:29:42,070
down that road it'll open your eyes to a

2211
01:29:45,689 --> 01:29:44,170
lot of different things for people will

2212
01:29:49,290 --> 01:29:45,699
kind of tend to get focused on one

2213
01:29:50,669 --> 01:29:49,300
specific Indian ignore the little stuff

2214
01:29:52,439 --> 01:29:50,679
but the little stuff is what gives you

2215
01:29:54,450 --> 01:29:52,449
the big picture and you'll be able to

2216
01:29:57,029 --> 01:29:54,460
put the puzzle together a lot easier

2217
01:29:58,379 --> 01:29:57,039
don't get all the little things a little

2218
01:29:59,640 --> 01:29:58,389
bit later in the show we're going to

2219
01:30:02,759 --> 01:29:59,650
have a few questions from our listeners

2220
01:30:05,009 --> 01:30:02,769
if Greg Valdez as we focus on the whys

2221
01:30:06,959 --> 01:30:05,019
and wherefores of cattle mutilations and

2222
01:30:10,140 --> 01:30:06,969
one question I'm going to have which

2223
01:30:13,080 --> 01:30:10,150
Greg can answer our next segment is in

2224
01:30:15,979 --> 01:30:13,090
all how often does this happen

2225
01:30:19,109 --> 01:30:15,989
and is this phenomenon strictly

2226
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concentrated in the u.s. is it worldwide

2227
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is it just specific countries

2228
01:30:25,620 --> 01:30:23,619
interesting to find out we have Greg

2229
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Valdez joining us

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you're on with gene and Chris you're in

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hi my name is Richard Dolan you're

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2338
01:35:26,530 --> 01:35:23,840
the end of our last segment and that is

2339
01:35:30,669 --> 01:35:26,540
how frequent are these things occurring

2340
01:35:33,520 --> 01:35:30,679
number one number two worldwide us or

2341
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just a few countries phenomenon I know

2342
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they had a couple of Missouri within the

2343
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last week or two because I saw some news

2344
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reports they've also had some dolphin

2345
01:35:46,030 --> 01:35:43,159
mutilations and the Gulf Coast fairly

2346
01:35:48,820 --> 01:35:46,040
recently um they did have some in South

2347
01:35:50,740 --> 01:35:48,830
America there was a hot spot there for a

2348
01:35:52,419 --> 01:35:50,750
while so it's a worldwide thing it's not

2349
01:35:54,760 --> 01:35:52,429
just limited to the United States so

2350
01:35:57,760 --> 01:35:54,770
long there's been reports that I've

2351
01:35:59,050 --> 01:35:57,770
heard of pretty much worldwide a lot in

2352
01:36:00,820 --> 01:35:59,060
South America from what I know

2353
01:36:10,570 --> 01:36:00,830
everywhere of in India where cows are

2354
01:36:13,990 --> 01:36:10,580
sacred quest they don't serve beef which

2355
01:36:17,379 --> 01:36:14,000
is kind of an oxymoron but I in 2002

2356
01:36:19,540 --> 01:36:17,389
Jane we saw a huge wave of cases

2357
01:36:23,020 --> 01:36:19,550
hundreds of cases over the ensuing

2358
01:36:25,990 --> 01:36:23,030
couple of years 2002 through 2004 in

2359
01:36:28,120 --> 01:36:26,000
Argentina parts of Brazil we've had

2360
01:36:31,990 --> 01:36:28,130
Philip oil on the program from the

2361
01:36:34,810 --> 01:36:32,000
animal pathology field unit in England

2362
01:36:39,010 --> 01:36:34,820
they've had numerous sheep mutilations

2363
01:36:41,709 --> 01:36:39,020
along the Welsh border in around she's

2364
01:36:44,620 --> 01:36:41,719
buried in that area and mid Midlands

2365
01:36:47,410 --> 01:36:44,630
England Midwest England there have been

2366
01:36:51,459 --> 01:36:47,420
cases of livestock death cases reported

2367
01:36:55,419 --> 01:36:51,469
in Puerto Rico the Canary Islands we've

2368
01:36:57,580 --> 01:36:55,429
had cases in Africa there been a number

2369
01:37:00,459 --> 01:36:57,590
of cases all the way back between the

2370
01:37:03,970 --> 01:37:00,469
turn of the 19th century there were

2371
01:37:05,649 --> 01:37:03,980
sheep elections in Australia they've got

2372
01:37:08,830 --> 01:37:05,659
quite a number of cases over the years

2373
01:37:10,870 --> 01:37:08,840
down down under so this is a worldwide

2374
01:37:14,260 --> 01:37:10,880
phenomenon which some of the naysayers

2375
01:37:16,240 --> 01:37:14,270
in in terms of the military theory say

2376
01:37:18,070 --> 01:37:16,250
well what is the US government flying

2377
01:37:19,180 --> 01:37:18,080
around the world doing all this well you

2378
01:37:19,759 --> 01:37:19,190
know that's the question I was gonna ask

2379
01:37:23,120 --> 01:37:19,769
you

2380
01:37:24,979 --> 01:37:23,130
gotta be some sort of multinational

2381
01:37:27,890 --> 01:37:24,989
thing I think there's some sort of World

2382
01:37:31,399 --> 01:37:27,900
Health Organization type organization

2383
01:37:33,020 --> 01:37:31,409
that's probably behind this and I I just

2384
01:37:36,859 --> 01:37:33,030
find it interesting that that the

2385
01:37:38,959 --> 01:37:36,869
sampling team seems to be as greg has

2386
01:37:41,060 --> 01:37:38,969
pointed out there's some sort of genetic

2387
01:37:43,009 --> 01:37:41,070
component to it but there's also some

2388
01:37:46,669 --> 01:37:43,019
sort of actual physical location

2389
01:37:48,319 --> 01:37:46,679
component it's not always which

2390
01:37:51,169 --> 01:37:48,329
particular cows where that particular

2391
01:37:52,970 --> 01:37:51,179
cow is located in the environment so I

2392
01:37:56,180 --> 01:37:52,980
think it's a very complicated picture I

2393
01:37:59,739 --> 01:37:56,190
think that there is a an effort globally

2394
01:38:01,850 --> 01:37:59,749
that is monitoring livestock and

2395
01:38:04,040 --> 01:38:01,860
obviously you would think that the US

2396
01:38:06,649 --> 01:38:04,050
would be very very involved at the very

2397
01:38:08,629 --> 01:38:06,659
top of this probably coordinating it but

2398
01:38:10,939 --> 01:38:08,639
this is this is a real sticking point

2399
01:38:12,799 --> 01:38:10,949
for any sort of US government sort of

2400
01:38:14,810 --> 01:38:12,809
scenario in theory if it's the

2401
01:38:16,489 --> 01:38:14,820
government then we must be flying around

2402
01:38:18,770 --> 01:38:16,499
with impunity around the world doing

2403
01:38:21,319 --> 01:38:18,780
this without ever getting caught with no

2404
01:38:23,810 --> 01:38:21,329
choppers breaking down with no teams

2405
01:38:26,629 --> 01:38:23,820
getting spotted these guys are real

2406
01:38:28,370 --> 01:38:26,639
slick and you know there's just no

2407
01:38:31,430 --> 01:38:28,380
getting around that fact and the more

2408
01:38:34,810 --> 01:38:31,440
that I dig into this subject for my new

2409
01:38:37,189 --> 01:38:34,820
book and reading Greg's book and and

2410
01:38:38,660 --> 01:38:37,199
revisiting some of the cases it's just

2411
01:38:40,069 --> 01:38:38,670
mind-boggling that these people have

2412
01:38:42,410 --> 01:38:40,079
been able to get away with this for so

2413
01:38:44,899 --> 01:38:42,420
long and looking at some of these

2414
01:38:47,149 --> 01:38:44,909
pictures of Greg Cass ion there's no way

2415
01:38:50,000 --> 01:38:47,159
that predators could microwave a whole

2416
01:38:52,040 --> 01:38:50,010
cider side of an animal so that the the

2417
01:38:54,890 --> 01:38:52,050
meat under the hide is literally cooked

2418
01:38:58,000 --> 01:38:54,900
and then at the one case is the one that

2419
01:39:00,500 --> 01:38:58,010
Jerry Valerio the brand inspector

2420
01:39:02,180 --> 01:39:00,510
got so sick he ended up having to retire

2421
01:39:05,660 --> 01:39:02,190
correct me if I'm wrong

2422
01:39:07,640 --> 01:39:05,670
yes that's correct the rancher that had

2423
01:39:10,729 --> 01:39:07,650
the mutated cow covered it with the tarp

2424
01:39:12,649 --> 01:39:10,739
so when Jerry went to look at the animal

2425
01:39:14,870 --> 01:39:12,659
he lifted the tarp and it helps whatever

2426
01:39:17,200 --> 01:39:14,880
chemicals or toxins were in the animal

2427
01:39:20,540 --> 01:39:17,210
he almost died from it he got very sick

2428
01:39:22,689 --> 01:39:20,550
it wasn't a good so to give you an idea

2429
01:39:26,239 --> 01:39:22,699
when my dad started working for an ins

2430
01:39:28,100 --> 01:39:26,249
they would wear full contamination suits

2431
01:39:29,299 --> 01:39:28,110
when they were good on these mutilation

2432
01:39:30,890 --> 01:39:29,309
sites of course when he was with State

2433
01:39:33,260 --> 01:39:30,900
Police he just wear a uniform are his

2434
01:39:34,910 --> 01:39:33,270
coveralls but he was kind of a germ

2435
01:39:36,230 --> 01:39:34,920
hope to begin with my dad was he was

2436
01:39:38,840 --> 01:39:36,240
always cautious and he was always

2437
01:39:42,680 --> 01:39:38,850
cautious around these mutilations but if

2438
01:39:44,480 --> 01:39:42,690
needs was played on the foil hazmat

2439
01:39:46,880 --> 01:39:44,490
suits that kind of gives an indication

2440
01:39:48,980 --> 01:39:46,890
of what your messing with her what was

2441
01:39:52,340 --> 01:39:48,990
in the cattle or what they were finding

2442
01:39:54,260 --> 01:39:52,350
because Kenneth Rommel came out with his

2443
01:39:57,260 --> 01:39:54,270
report that kind of didn't work damaging

2444
01:39:58,610 --> 01:39:57,270
than anything back in the 70s 80s where

2445
01:40:00,590 --> 01:39:58,620
he said that predators were involved

2446
01:40:02,930 --> 01:40:00,600
that had nothing to do with you know all

2447
01:40:04,760 --> 01:40:02,940
these veterinaries that he Marion's that

2448
01:40:06,490 --> 01:40:04,770
he claimed up supported his work but

2449
01:40:09,320 --> 01:40:06,500
news came in with a whole different

2450
01:40:10,700 --> 01:40:09,330
England they took you pretty serious so

2451
01:40:12,500 --> 01:40:10,710
they're taking it serious and least

2452
01:40:14,480 --> 01:40:12,510
venerians we're starting to sign off on

2453
01:40:17,990 --> 01:40:14,490
these things and actually putting their

2454
01:40:19,790 --> 01:40:18,000
name on document saying it had chemicals

2455
01:40:21,140 --> 01:40:19,800
or whatever the case that kind of shows

2456
01:40:21,490 --> 01:40:21,150
you the severity of what they're dealing

2457
01:40:24,350 --> 01:40:21,500
with

2458
01:40:26,300 --> 01:40:24,360
because the early 70s about these

2459
01:40:27,680 --> 01:40:26,310
veterinarians wouldn't even touch the

2460
01:40:29,090 --> 01:40:27,690
mutilations they want nothing to do with

2461
01:40:31,970 --> 01:40:29,100
it because they were worried about their

2462
01:40:34,970 --> 01:40:31,980
career their reputation um they just

2463
01:40:37,610 --> 01:40:34,980
wouldn't get involved so they had a hard

2464
01:40:39,710 --> 01:40:37,620
time you've been getting help my dad

2465
01:40:41,720 --> 01:40:39,720
didn't text graves up in Colorado

2466
01:40:44,600 --> 01:40:41,730
because the venerians won't even touch

2467
01:40:45,830 --> 01:40:44,610
them which that kind of changed with

2468
01:40:48,350 --> 01:40:45,840
knits where they were actually writing

2469
01:40:50,900 --> 01:40:48,360
reports which was good of course not

2470
01:40:52,220 --> 01:40:50,910
everything was disclosed or to lids and

2471
01:40:55,430 --> 01:40:52,230
all the findings weren't disclosed but

2472
01:40:57,470 --> 01:40:55,440
least they were doing quality work and

2473
01:40:58,820 --> 01:40:57,480
research on it but like I said earlier

2474
01:41:00,380 --> 01:40:58,830
if they're putting on bunny suits I kind

2475
01:41:02,750 --> 01:41:00,390
of using an indication of what they're

2476
01:41:04,610 --> 01:41:02,760
doing what do you know approximately how

2477
01:41:06,920 --> 01:41:04,620
many cases should get investigated for

2478
01:41:09,380 --> 01:41:06,930
knits I know he did some around the

2479
01:41:11,360 --> 01:41:09,390
Royal Hondo law murphy's on north of

2480
01:41:13,070 --> 01:41:11,370
Taos there the Red River area about how

2481
01:41:15,410 --> 01:41:13,080
many cases were was he sent out on

2482
01:41:17,270 --> 01:41:15,420
indeed he only exclusively operating in

2483
01:41:19,640 --> 01:41:17,280
the four corners they're here did they

2484
01:41:21,740 --> 01:41:19,650
fly him other places I'd have to go look

2485
01:41:25,100 --> 01:41:21,750
at his files specifically I know he has

2486
01:41:28,130 --> 01:41:25,110
at least 20 is a rough guess from New

2487
01:41:29,900 --> 01:41:28,140
Mexico he never did anything outside of

2488
01:41:33,260 --> 01:41:29,910
New Mexico maybe Colorado he might does

2489
01:41:35,150 --> 01:41:33,270
stuff across the border but um he wasn't

2490
01:41:36,950 --> 01:41:35,160
involved in any of the Utah stuff that

2491
01:41:38,360 --> 01:41:36,960
Nate was involved with the easy to send

2492
01:41:40,070 --> 01:41:38,370
their own guys up there they had their

2493
01:41:42,350 --> 01:41:40,080
own field investigators so he was kind

2494
01:41:45,320 --> 01:41:42,360
of a the New Mexico connection but he

2495
01:41:46,450 --> 01:41:45,330
knew everyone in New Mexico he was here

2496
01:41:47,740 --> 01:41:46,460
so he

2497
01:41:49,630 --> 01:41:47,750
or since I think they had another

2498
01:41:52,540 --> 01:41:49,640
investigator that handled other parts of

2499
01:41:54,580 --> 01:41:52,550
the country I'm trying to understand a

2500
01:41:57,400 --> 01:41:54,590
little bit about this here okay so it's

2501
01:41:59,410 --> 01:41:57,410
being done by governments there may be

2502
01:42:02,610 --> 01:41:59,420
some hazardous materials or waste

2503
01:42:05,740 --> 01:42:02,620
involved so the long and short of it is

2504
01:42:08,170 --> 01:42:05,750
why are they doing it well a lot of the

2505
01:42:10,630 --> 01:42:08,180
early stuff to look like radiation that

2506
01:42:12,430 --> 01:42:10,640
a lot of it tend to look like bio-german

2507
01:42:15,550 --> 01:42:12,440
or fair testing also which I didn't get

2508
01:42:19,810 --> 01:42:15,560
to earlier start with that now okay bio

2509
01:42:22,360 --> 01:42:19,820
germ warfare ugh yeah it's pretty nasty

2510
01:42:24,940 --> 01:42:22,370
stuff in them part of the Geneva

2511
01:42:27,420 --> 01:42:24,950
Convention that bans the all these

2512
01:42:30,010 --> 01:42:27,430
countries from using germ warfare

2513
01:42:33,340 --> 01:42:30,020
what exempt them from that ban is if

2514
01:42:35,740 --> 01:42:33,350
they create non-lethal weapons in that

2515
01:42:37,240 --> 01:42:35,750
kind of opens the political door or

2516
01:42:40,600 --> 01:42:37,250
there they don't have to worry about so

2517
01:42:43,030 --> 01:42:40,610
much oversight on their research so then

2518
01:42:44,709 --> 01:42:43,040
after seeing that now you start looking

2519
01:42:47,080 --> 01:42:44,719
the people that the people involved in

2520
01:42:49,240 --> 01:42:47,090
needs and some of this other research

2521
01:42:51,250 --> 01:42:49,250
they're all in the non-lethal research

2522
01:42:52,870 --> 01:42:51,260
kit and that kind of opens up the doors

2523
01:42:55,479 --> 01:42:52,880
and they were finding traces of

2524
01:42:58,330 --> 01:42:55,489
potential anthrax testing and some of

2525
01:43:00,760 --> 01:42:58,340
the early Cal's one of the cows on the

2526
01:43:02,770 --> 01:43:00,770
southern end of the reservation of Dulce

2527
01:43:04,510 --> 01:43:02,780
they found the camel of an animal that

2528
01:43:06,310 --> 01:43:04,520
survived a mutilation the ear was cut

2529
01:43:08,470 --> 01:43:06,320
off the animal didn't die you know I

2530
01:43:10,959 --> 01:43:08,480
like to look at what dr. McCoy said

2531
01:43:13,420 --> 01:43:10,969
where's the logic in that in one of the

2532
01:43:16,630 --> 01:43:13,430
Star Trek episodes maybe he was trying

2533
01:43:18,580 --> 01:43:16,640
to channel mr. Spock and that is okay if

2534
01:43:20,800 --> 01:43:18,590
you're gonna do testing on cattle

2535
01:43:22,780 --> 01:43:20,810
possibly to see the effects of germ

2536
01:43:24,520 --> 01:43:22,790
warfare why would you do it at random

2537
01:43:26,680 --> 01:43:24,530
around the world wouldn't you basically

2538
01:43:28,510 --> 01:43:26,690
set up your own ranch and do it all

2539
01:43:31,060 --> 01:43:28,520
privately rather than drive people

2540
01:43:33,010 --> 01:43:31,070
totally nuts which is the impact of what

2541
01:43:35,380 --> 01:43:33,020
they're doing now yeah that's a common

2542
01:43:36,850 --> 01:43:35,390
question that comes up first ago there's

2543
01:43:38,440 --> 01:43:36,860
a lot of things you're doing with you

2544
01:43:40,240 --> 01:43:38,450
know liability issues if you're the one

2545
01:43:42,340 --> 01:43:40,250
that created the contamination you're

2546
01:43:44,890 --> 01:43:42,350
not going to go on in admit that you're

2547
01:43:46,780 --> 01:43:44,900
the one researching contamination if

2548
01:43:48,580 --> 01:43:46,790
you're the one that implemented it or

2549
01:43:51,010 --> 01:43:48,590
put it into the community that's one of

2550
01:43:53,200 --> 01:43:51,020
the issues you're dealing with um it's

2551
01:43:54,520 --> 01:43:53,210
also control it's a control control for

2552
01:43:57,180 --> 01:43:54,530
ranching communities that tend to be

2553
01:43:59,520 --> 01:43:57,190
more conservative

2554
01:44:01,290 --> 01:43:59,530
militia paid you of mine did you know

2555
01:44:03,780 --> 01:44:01,300
the well County for instance probably

2556
01:44:08,040 --> 01:44:03,790
has the highest per-capita incidence of

2557
01:44:09,450 --> 01:44:08,050
militia members up there and and also if

2558
01:44:11,580 --> 01:44:09,460
you can introduce things like chronic

2559
01:44:14,040 --> 01:44:11,590
wasting disease in the herds of deer and

2560
01:44:16,260 --> 01:44:14,050
elk in areas where there's lots of

2561
01:44:20,160 --> 01:44:16,270
hunters who happen to be militia types I

2562
01:44:24,870 --> 01:44:20,170
mean the societal control mechanisms can

2563
01:44:27,900 --> 01:44:24,880
be very subtle in and the calculation

2564
01:44:31,080 --> 01:44:27,910
phenomenon I think is is of a multiple

2565
01:44:33,450 --> 01:44:31,090
agenda program you have lots of things

2566
01:44:35,970 --> 01:44:33,460
dovetailing together the most common

2567
01:44:38,550 --> 01:44:35,980
question I get is well I couldn't

2568
01:44:40,080 --> 01:44:38,560
believe the Cubs there well looking at a

2569
01:44:42,000 --> 01:44:40,090
law enforcement officer here I can tell

2570
01:44:44,100 --> 01:44:42,010
you right now if you take the cows grand

2571
01:44:46,320 --> 01:44:44,110
theft if you leave it there it's

2572
01:44:48,000 --> 01:44:46,330
plausible deniability and everybody

2573
01:44:49,710 --> 01:44:48,010
scratches their head he drags it off to

2574
01:44:52,140 --> 01:44:49,720
a bone pile out of sight out of mind

2575
01:44:55,020 --> 01:44:52,150
most of these cases aren't reported I

2576
01:44:56,940 --> 01:44:55,030
think we're seeing sort of almost a form

2577
01:44:59,130 --> 01:44:56,950
of domestic terrorism going on here

2578
01:45:01,260 --> 01:44:59,140
we're terrorizing ranching ranchers

2579
01:45:03,210 --> 01:45:01,270
possibly trying to drive small ranches

2580
01:45:05,880 --> 01:45:03,220
out of business so the big agribusiness

2581
01:45:08,310 --> 01:45:05,890
the biggest moneymaker in agriculture is

2582
01:45:10,560 --> 01:45:08,320
beef by the way so if you drive out the

2583
01:45:12,750 --> 01:45:10,570
loop guys it just makes more room for

2584
01:45:14,220 --> 01:45:12,760
the big guys and raises prices as a

2585
01:45:14,670 --> 01:45:14,230
result we can to more of this in a

2586
01:45:16,770 --> 01:45:14,680
moment

2587
01:45:25,850 --> 01:45:16,780
Greg Valdez joining us with Jean and

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2612
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2613
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stating a central bank issuing the

2614
01:46:24,360 --> 01:46:23,230
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2615
01:46:25,710 --> 01:46:24,370
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2617
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placing a free silver dollar in a book

2618
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2620
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7 that's 800 686 to 237 Thomas Jefferson

2622
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once said when the people fear their

2623
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government there is tyranny when the

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2628
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2629
01:47:00,960 --> 01:46:58,540
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standard of paranormal radio and now

2650
01:48:03,730 --> 01:48:01,790
here's James Steinberg okay with gene

2651
01:48:06,220 --> 01:48:03,740
and Chris we're back at the para cast

2652
01:48:10,240 --> 01:48:06,230
with Greg Valdez fascinating session

2653
01:48:13,150 --> 01:48:10,250
covering the legends of Dulce and also

2654
01:48:15,040 --> 01:48:13,160
the mysterious cattle mutilations around

2655
01:48:17,410 --> 01:48:15,050
the world and we have a few questions

2656
01:48:21,130 --> 01:48:17,420
from our audience posted at forum dr.

2657
01:48:22,450 --> 01:48:21,140
Peric ascom in a place we call the

2658
01:48:24,460 --> 01:48:22,460
question bank and when we have enough

2659
01:48:27,310 --> 01:48:24,470
warning about a future guests we put in

2660
01:48:28,510 --> 01:48:27,320
forum topic or thread there so chris is

2661
01:48:31,810 --> 01:48:28,520
mulling through some of those questions

2662
01:48:33,220 --> 01:48:31,820
now and we'll ask a few of Chris well

2663
01:48:34,990 --> 01:48:33,230
you know the first question here that

2664
01:48:37,180 --> 01:48:35,000
just popped up is at the bottom of the

2665
01:48:39,400 --> 01:48:37,190
question Bank thread here is from our

2666
01:48:41,770 --> 01:48:39,410
longtime listener and poster Blowfish

2667
01:48:43,720 --> 01:48:41,780
and he lists out three questions the

2668
01:48:47,500 --> 01:48:43,730
first one is did you greg or your father

2669
01:48:50,140 --> 01:48:47,510
ever have any strange awareness regards

2670
01:48:52,780 --> 01:48:50,150
in regards to unusual sounds at your

2671
01:48:55,630 --> 01:48:52,790
home such as power fluctuation smashing

2672
01:48:58,270 --> 01:48:55,640
objects etc and did you both have any

2673
01:48:59,920 --> 01:48:58,280
severe headaches after ever visiting any

2674
01:49:01,150 --> 01:48:59,930
of these locations in other words I

2675
01:49:04,180 --> 01:49:01,160
think he wants to know is there other

2676
01:49:07,150 --> 01:49:04,190
external indications of something weird

2677
01:49:09,940 --> 01:49:07,160
going on to answer that question we

2678
01:49:11,830 --> 01:49:09,950
never had any of the smashing objects

2679
01:49:13,600 --> 01:49:11,840
fluctuation about Paul bennewitz did he

2680
01:49:15,550 --> 01:49:13,610
always talked about that of course we

2681
01:49:17,350 --> 01:49:15,560
know there although air force was kind

2682
01:49:19,480 --> 01:49:17,360
of putting the full-court press on and

2683
01:49:20,800 --> 01:49:19,490
so to speak as far as harassing him so a

2684
01:49:22,960 --> 01:49:20,810
lot of that probably came from the air

2685
01:49:24,700 --> 01:49:22,970
force severe headaches some of the

2686
01:49:27,700 --> 01:49:24,710
investigators did have severe headaches

2687
01:49:29,380 --> 01:49:27,710
after one or two the mutilations they

2688
01:49:31,480 --> 01:49:29,390
explained it similar to radiation

2689
01:49:33,370 --> 01:49:31,490
sickness and I think it's in one of the

2690
01:49:35,110 --> 01:49:33,380
reports that show Chris earlier the

2691
01:49:38,500 --> 01:49:35,120
police reports on but that's the only

2692
01:49:42,040 --> 01:49:38,510
thing they really experienced up in

2693
01:49:44,440 --> 01:49:42,050
Dulce um the dossier story is weird the

2694
01:49:46,330 --> 01:49:44,450
whole scheme but part of that is um

2695
01:49:49,030 --> 01:49:46,340
there seem to be a lot of like mind

2696
01:49:50,230 --> 01:49:49,040
control testing on the part of the

2697
01:49:52,920 --> 01:49:50,240
government which is a whole nother story

2698
01:49:55,090 --> 01:49:52,930
so some of the tribal members up there

2699
01:49:55,470 --> 01:49:55,100
reported a little bit of it but there

2700
01:49:57,720 --> 01:49:55,480
has

2701
01:49:59,940 --> 01:49:57,730
a ton of information on it just kind of

2702
01:50:01,710 --> 01:49:59,950
scratching the surface for it's one of

2703
01:50:03,450 --> 01:50:01,720
those things that there was a few

2704
01:50:05,280 --> 01:50:03,460
reports of it but nothing was verified

2705
01:50:07,760 --> 01:50:05,290
or substantive but you are your dad

2706
01:50:10,350 --> 01:50:07,770
other than finding listening devices oh

2707
01:50:12,150 --> 01:50:10,360
no you didn't have any strange kind of

2708
01:50:15,450 --> 01:50:12,160
poltergeist type things happen and or

2709
01:50:16,950 --> 01:50:15,460
any sort of precognitive dreams or any

2710
01:50:19,770 --> 01:50:16,960
anything that could be considered for a

2711
01:50:22,710 --> 01:50:19,780
paranormal then no we didn't no one in

2712
01:50:25,560 --> 01:50:22,720
our family a question I'm sure you've

2713
01:50:27,930 --> 01:50:25,570
gotten and I get constantly as did you

2714
01:50:29,340 --> 01:50:27,940
dad ever tell you he reports of human

2715
01:50:32,940 --> 01:50:29,350
mutilations that were done in the way of

2716
01:50:35,520 --> 01:50:32,950
cattle I've heard rumors of a report in

2717
01:50:40,020 --> 01:50:35,530
94 I think her 95 down in Silver City

2718
01:50:42,690 --> 01:50:40,030
New Mexico also reports from the Santa

2719
01:50:44,550 --> 01:50:42,700
Clara Indian Reservation in Arizona

2720
01:50:48,780 --> 01:50:44,560
fairly recently about four or five years

2721
01:50:51,030 --> 01:50:48,790
ago did he have a speak of inhuman cases

2722
01:50:52,950 --> 01:50:51,040
he mentioned a couple of ones that he

2723
01:50:54,930 --> 01:50:52,960
heard similar in which you explained he

2724
01:50:57,150 --> 01:50:54,940
heard the stories but he never

2725
01:50:59,550 --> 01:50:57,160
personally investigated them so my dad

2726
01:51:00,870 --> 01:50:59,560
was always is an investigator it's he

2727
01:51:03,540 --> 01:51:00,880
did investigate something he's not gonna

2728
01:51:05,220 --> 01:51:03,550
pipe up and say listen my opinion and

2729
01:51:07,470 --> 01:51:05,230
this is what happened he stuck to what

2730
01:51:08,700 --> 01:51:07,480
he knew and he knew he was aware of some

2731
01:51:10,050 --> 01:51:08,710
of those stories but he never did

2732
01:51:13,200 --> 01:51:10,060
actually investigate any they didn't

2733
01:51:15,840 --> 01:51:13,210
have any in dulce or Rhea Rhea or

2734
01:51:18,540 --> 01:51:15,850
wherever the he actually investigated

2735
01:51:20,580 --> 01:51:18,550
some of these other cases so on he

2736
01:51:22,920 --> 01:51:20,590
didn't get into that depth but he was

2737
01:51:25,290 --> 01:51:22,930
aware of it from just stories

2738
01:51:28,710 --> 01:51:25,300
I always get those that question of

2739
01:51:31,530 --> 01:51:28,720
course Don Ecker who has a radio show

2740
01:51:33,300 --> 01:51:31,540
called Dark Matters looked into this in

2741
01:51:35,760 --> 01:51:33,310
the 80s and did find some evidence from

2742
01:51:38,520 --> 01:51:35,770
the East Coast from New York that some

2743
01:51:40,740 --> 01:51:38,530
cases had occurred there again these are

2744
01:51:42,570 --> 01:51:40,750
probably some of the most covered up of

2745
01:51:44,670 --> 01:51:42,580
all law enforcement investigations

2746
01:51:46,830 --> 01:51:44,680
because they're so horrific and I'm sure

2747
01:51:48,570 --> 01:51:46,840
they don't want to scare people another

2748
01:51:50,729 --> 01:51:48,580
question from Blowfish is did you ever

2749
01:51:53,100 --> 01:51:50,739
see any black triangular craft or

2750
01:51:55,080 --> 01:51:53,110
encounter any incident in regards to

2751
01:51:57,930 --> 01:51:55,090
vehicle anomalies while driving near

2752
01:52:00,660 --> 01:51:57,940
so-called secret locations or relation

2753
01:52:03,150 --> 01:52:00,670
sites with whatever yes and no I think

2754
01:52:04,800 --> 01:52:03,160
we talked about this earlier well never

2755
01:52:07,560 --> 01:52:04,810
saw it but we took pictures of it and

2756
01:52:08,899 --> 01:52:07,570
it's the black triangle anomaly or

2757
01:52:10,189 --> 01:52:08,909
whatever the case on

2758
01:52:13,310 --> 01:52:10,199
the book goes into more detail and

2759
01:52:14,540 --> 01:52:13,320
explains what it probably is but on all

2760
01:52:16,010 --> 01:52:14,550
the people in Dulce have also taken

2761
01:52:17,689 --> 01:52:16,020
photos of this they didn't know they

2762
01:52:19,790 --> 01:52:17,699
were taking photos they just happen to

2763
01:52:21,560 --> 01:52:19,800
stumble upon it that's why I recommend

2764
01:52:23,899 --> 01:52:21,570
people if they're in a hot UFO hotspot

2765
01:52:25,220 --> 01:52:23,909
or they're seen a lot of these sightings

2766
01:52:27,860 --> 01:52:25,230
just take random pictures you might be

2767
01:52:29,840 --> 01:52:27,870
surprised what comes up on the film your

2768
01:52:31,450 --> 01:52:29,850
infrared - a lot of stuff comes out at

2769
01:52:35,600 --> 01:52:31,460
infrared that you normally don't see

2770
01:52:37,910 --> 01:52:35,610
here's an interesting question here you

2771
01:52:42,290 --> 01:52:37,920
showed me some very graphic photographs

2772
01:52:45,530 --> 01:52:42,300
of a very strange cow embryo or

2773
01:52:47,270 --> 01:52:45,540
stillborn calf was almost full term with

2774
01:52:49,340 --> 01:52:47,280
by the looks of the picture

2775
01:52:52,280 --> 01:52:49,350
what's the full story this comes from

2776
01:52:54,530 --> 01:52:52,290
one of our new well actually what's the

2777
01:52:56,629 --> 01:52:54,540
name is the cosmonauts my mom cosmonaut

2778
01:52:58,220 --> 01:52:56,639
yeah he's actually been a member for

2779
01:53:00,229 --> 01:52:58,230
quite a while but he's only posted six

2780
01:53:02,330 --> 01:53:00,239
times so you brought out one of our

2781
01:53:04,550 --> 01:53:02,340
lurkers here what is the full story

2782
01:53:06,439 --> 01:53:04,560
about the strange embryo found in the

2783
01:53:09,169 --> 01:53:06,449
body of a mutilated cow in the Dulce

2784
01:53:11,030 --> 01:53:09,179
area that is a very intriguing case once

2785
01:53:12,379 --> 01:53:11,040
you give us some background on that my

2786
01:53:14,419 --> 01:53:12,389
dad got a phone call that they found

2787
01:53:18,770 --> 01:53:14,429
what appeared to be a half-human

2788
01:53:21,890 --> 01:53:18,780
half-cat cow calf it wasn't an embryo it

2789
01:53:23,510 --> 01:53:21,900
was almost full bore animal so my dad

2790
01:53:26,330 --> 01:53:23,520
went up to Braavos in Mexico and that

2791
01:53:27,919 --> 01:53:26,340
was the area's located and I believe I

2792
01:53:29,689 --> 01:53:27,929
have to look it up I haven't look at the

2793
01:53:31,700 --> 01:53:29,699
information for a while but I believe it

2794
01:53:34,820 --> 01:53:31,710
came out of a related cow on a related

2795
01:53:36,919 --> 01:53:34,830
site on a mean site so when he took this

2796
01:53:39,500 --> 01:53:36,929
calf out it had a strange-looking head

2797
01:53:42,979 --> 01:53:39,510
the head was larger and it was round

2798
01:53:45,140 --> 01:53:42,989
round it's not the normal cow hit niche

2799
01:53:47,390 --> 01:53:45,150
did a lot of testing on it

2800
01:53:50,510 --> 01:53:47,400
they just concluded it was a stillborn

2801
01:53:53,720 --> 01:53:50,520
calf but it's a pretty decided what it's

2802
01:53:56,419 --> 01:53:53,730
reported was accurate or not but on all

2803
01:53:58,370 --> 01:53:56,429
the stuff did know I saw it was a

2804
01:54:00,709 --> 01:53:58,380
stillborn cow they didn't find anything

2805
01:54:03,290 --> 01:54:00,719
out of the ordinary but that's not my

2806
01:54:04,970 --> 01:54:03,300
expertise it was definitely strange the

2807
01:54:07,040 --> 01:54:04,980
photos will be on the website when I get

2808
01:54:08,570 --> 01:54:07,050
the website up the granny you can decide

2809
01:54:10,250 --> 01:54:08,580
for yourself some people claim it looks

2810
01:54:12,320 --> 01:54:10,260
like an alien some people say it's a big

2811
01:54:14,180 --> 01:54:12,330
carrot also that's one of those that

2812
01:54:16,160 --> 01:54:14,190
it's you flip a coin it's open to

2813
01:54:18,200 --> 01:54:16,170
interpretation but there was never

2814
01:54:20,120 --> 01:54:18,210
anything as far as evidence there was

2815
01:54:22,310 --> 01:54:20,130
never anything solid that was found to

2816
01:54:24,800 --> 01:54:22,320
make a conclusion either way of what

2817
01:54:27,110 --> 01:54:24,810
was other than I'll still work at now I

2818
01:54:28,760 --> 01:54:27,120
see if it were a call I'm not sure if it

2819
01:54:32,600 --> 01:54:28,770
was from New Mexico but I seem to recall

2820
01:54:35,660 --> 01:54:32,610
a case where a cow was actually in the

2821
01:54:38,570 --> 01:54:35,670
process of giving birth to a calf when

2822
01:54:40,880 --> 01:54:38,580
it was when it died it was mutilated and

2823
01:54:45,110 --> 01:54:40,890
the calf half out of the mother

2824
01:54:46,940 --> 01:54:45,120
it's a jaw bone lip had been cut off are

2825
01:54:48,500 --> 01:54:46,950
you familiar with that case I've heard

2826
01:54:50,420 --> 01:54:48,510
this story but I don't know the details

2827
01:54:52,700 --> 01:54:50,430
about it to really comment on it that

2828
01:54:55,550 --> 01:54:52,710
I've heard this story before yeah that's

2829
01:54:58,610 --> 01:54:55,560
that's a bizarre woman we have some

2830
01:55:02,060 --> 01:54:58,620
other questions here's an interesting

2831
01:55:04,820 --> 01:55:02,070
one general question to all if you could

2832
01:55:09,490 --> 01:55:04,830
have one yes/no question answer

2833
01:55:13,910 --> 01:55:12,260
that's our to see you know don't ask me

2834
01:55:16,070 --> 01:55:13,920
that question you can ask Greg that

2835
01:55:17,840 --> 01:55:16,080
question he's a nice guy but don't ask

2836
01:55:23,660 --> 01:55:17,850
me that question Chris I guess would

2837
01:55:26,060 --> 01:55:23,670
answer it one yes/no question I you know

2838
01:55:29,450 --> 01:55:26,070
that's that's tough that's really

2839
01:55:33,220 --> 01:55:29,460
putting me on the spot I don't know it

2840
01:55:38,690 --> 01:55:33,230
would have to be something uh something

2841
01:55:41,390 --> 01:55:38,700
to do with the growing fascism in this

2842
01:55:42,920 --> 01:55:41,400
country and who's actually in charge and

2843
01:55:44,990 --> 01:55:42,930
what the agenda is it would have to be

2844
01:55:47,110 --> 01:55:45,000
something along those lines more of a

2845
01:55:50,060 --> 01:55:47,120
social control question as opposed to a

2846
01:55:51,590 --> 01:55:50,070
paranormal question now let me ask you

2847
01:55:54,440 --> 01:55:51,600
Chris since we're going to raise that

2848
01:55:56,750 --> 01:55:54,450
issue by a growing fascism you mean

2849
01:55:59,510 --> 01:55:56,760
growing corporate control the

2850
01:56:03,170 --> 01:55:59,520
traditional definition of fascism folks

2851
01:56:04,910 --> 01:56:03,180
it's not Nazism no it is the

2852
01:56:08,060 --> 01:56:04,920
corporation's taking control of

2853
01:56:10,550 --> 01:56:08,070
everything right and it's a real concern

2854
01:56:13,670 --> 01:56:10,560
to me the word we're slowly seeing the

2855
01:56:16,310 --> 01:56:13,680
erosion of our liberties that our

2856
01:56:18,950 --> 01:56:16,320
current president is continuing and

2857
01:56:21,680 --> 01:56:18,960
intensifying the agenda of his

2858
01:56:22,730 --> 01:56:21,690
predecessor there's some very disturbing

2859
01:56:25,250 --> 01:56:22,740
things so it would be a political

2860
01:56:26,540 --> 01:56:25,260
question that I would have a that I

2861
01:56:30,620 --> 01:56:26,550
would ask and want to guess with no

2862
01:56:32,600 --> 01:56:30,630
answer to but everything you know - our

2863
01:56:33,840 --> 01:56:32,610
questioner things aren't black and white

2864
01:56:36,630 --> 01:56:33,850
it's not yes or no

2865
01:56:38,940 --> 01:56:36,640
everything is shades of grey and it

2866
01:56:40,890 --> 01:56:38,950
would it would be a yes but or no but

2867
01:56:43,470 --> 01:56:40,900
answer I'm sure no regardless the

2868
01:56:46,470 --> 01:56:43,480
question you could ask something like is

2869
01:56:48,090 --> 01:56:46,480
there an afterlife do we do we do we go

2870
01:56:49,620 --> 01:56:48,100
somewhere after we die I mean it could

2871
01:56:53,070 --> 01:56:49,630
be some sort of religious question as

2872
01:56:57,030 --> 01:56:53,080
well but again I don't know I think it's

2873
01:56:59,580 --> 01:56:57,040
kind of an unfair you know that's good I

2874
01:57:01,860 --> 01:56:59,590
enjoyed this I enjoy watching others be

2875
01:57:03,840 --> 01:57:01,870
put on the spot I don't let people put

2876
01:57:08,370 --> 01:57:03,850
me on the spot for a simple reason and

2877
01:57:10,560 --> 01:57:08,380
that is I have the control panel so if

2878
01:57:13,770 --> 01:57:10,570
the question is asked and I don't want

2879
01:57:16,560 --> 01:57:13,780
to answer my voice disappears and there

2880
01:57:18,000 --> 01:57:16,570
is music and that's how it goes I don't

2881
01:57:20,840 --> 01:57:18,010
want to get into more of that we have

2882
01:57:24,090 --> 01:57:20,850
Greg Valdez joining us the subject Dulcy

2883
01:57:26,190 --> 01:57:24,100
strange mysteries cattle mutilations and

2884
01:57:28,970 --> 01:57:26,200
so much more with gene and with Chris

2885
01:57:39,319 --> 01:57:28,980
you're in a paradise

2886
01:57:45,419 --> 01:57:43,290
is there a secret UFO agenda to strange

2887
01:57:47,879 --> 01:57:45,429
creatures from the darkest corners of

2888
01:57:50,689 --> 01:57:47,889
the mind roam the earth is there

2889
01:57:54,299 --> 01:57:50,699
evidence for mind control time travel or

2890
01:57:55,949 --> 01:57:54,309
devious government conspiracies find out

2891
01:57:58,560 --> 01:57:55,959
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2892
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2893
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2901
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2902
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2903
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2905
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2906
01:58:42,620 --> 01:58:40,410
States government knows way too much

2907
01:58:44,420 --> 01:58:42,630
about your financial affairs I continue

2908
01:58:46,670 --> 01:58:44,430
to hear stories about property seizures

2909
01:58:48,740 --> 01:58:46,680
frozen bank accounts confiscation of

2910
01:58:50,690 --> 01:58:48,750
stocks and bonds it makes me wonder if

2911
01:58:52,700 --> 01:58:50,700
the US citizen will ever again have the

2912
01:58:55,160 --> 01:58:52,710
right to life liberty and the pursuit of

2913
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2914
01:59:00,050 --> 01:58:57,210
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2915
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2916
01:59:04,340 --> 01:59:01,410
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2917
01:59:06,230 --> 01:59:04,350
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2918
01:59:08,270 --> 01:59:06,240
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2919
01:59:09,980 --> 01:59:08,280
government intervention for this reason

2920
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2921
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2922
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2923
01:59:17,300 --> 01:59:15,510
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2937
02:00:37,490 --> 02:00:33,660
just like it sounds cloud hashing

2938
02:00:40,250 --> 02:00:37,500
dot-com that cloud hashing com we mine

2939
02:00:42,380 --> 02:00:40,260
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2940
02:00:44,750 --> 02:00:42,390
key to wellness and elimination of

2941
02:00:45,880 --> 02:00:44,760
toxins that bears repeating digestive

2942
02:00:47,940 --> 02:00:45,890
health is the key

2943
02:00:50,740 --> 02:00:47,950
to wellness an elimination of toxins and

2944
02:00:53,380 --> 02:00:50,750
pro-am one daily probiotic cleanse is

2945
02:00:55,690 --> 02:00:53,390
the key to digestive health pro-am one

2946
02:00:57,400 --> 02:00:55,700
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2947
02:01:00,340 --> 02:00:57,410
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2948
02:01:02,380 --> 02:01:00,350
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2949
02:01:03,970 --> 02:01:02,390
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2950
02:01:05,380 --> 02:01:03,980
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2951
02:01:07,030 --> 02:01:05,390
preservatives or animal products

2952
02:01:09,040 --> 02:01:07,040
supports a healthy digestive and immune

2953
02:01:10,840 --> 02:01:09,050
system supports weight loss improves

2954
02:01:12,730 --> 02:01:10,850
absorption of food nutrients aids and

2955
02:01:14,890 --> 02:01:12,740
controlling yeast infections is never a

2956
02:01:16,510 --> 02:01:14,900
freeze-dried and uses three groups of

2957
02:01:18,760 --> 02:01:16,520
live viable beneficial microbes to

2958
02:01:20,740 --> 02:01:18,770
cleanse and remove toxins order pro am

2959
02:01:26,140 --> 02:01:20,750
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2960
02:01:29,350 --> 02:01:26,150
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2961
02:01:31,660 --> 02:01:29,360
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2962
02:01:34,180 --> 02:01:31,670
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2963
02:01:40,390 --> 02:01:34,190
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2964
02:01:42,370 --> 02:01:40,400
eight fro em1 the raw probiotic we'd

2965
02:01:44,380 --> 02:01:42,380
like to hear from you if you have a

2966
02:01:48,310 --> 02:01:44,390
comment or question about the para cast

2967
02:01:51,730 --> 02:01:48,320
sent it to news at the para cast com

2968
02:01:53,770 --> 02:01:51,740
that's news at the para cast calm and

2969
02:01:56,920 --> 02:01:53,780
don't forget to visit our famous para

2970
02:02:01,300 --> 02:01:56,930
cast community forums at forum dot the

2971
02:02:03,580 --> 02:02:01,310
para cast calm on the power cast with

2972
02:02:05,980 --> 02:02:03,590
jean and chris winding down the last

2973
02:02:08,500 --> 02:02:05,990
three segments any more questions from

2974
02:02:11,230 --> 02:02:08,510
the question bank before we proceed yeah

2975
02:02:13,360 --> 02:02:11,240
there's a number of them and we only had

2976
02:02:14,770 --> 02:02:13,370
a couple of days really to get the

2977
02:02:16,870 --> 02:02:14,780
question bank up and we actually be

2978
02:02:18,400 --> 02:02:16,880
generated a number of questions i still

2979
02:02:20,230 --> 02:02:18,410
be a very popular show it's a little

2980
02:02:22,540 --> 02:02:20,240
timely subject your book is coming out

2981
02:02:26,140 --> 02:02:22,550
at a really good time i think and i do

2982
02:02:28,120 --> 02:02:26,150
urge everyone to go to Greg's site in

2983
02:02:30,160 --> 02:02:28,130
order yourself a copy right now it's

2984
02:02:31,990 --> 02:02:30,170
available electronically this one comes

2985
02:02:33,400 --> 02:02:32,000
from Steve see this question first

2986
02:02:34,960 --> 02:02:33,410
though I says Chris the show will go

2987
02:02:36,670 --> 02:02:34,970
down as one of the best in the history

2988
02:02:38,650 --> 02:02:36,680
of the para cast just a feeling I have

2989
02:02:41,590 --> 02:02:38,660
and I agreed this is a real fun one for

2990
02:02:44,860 --> 02:02:41,600
me please ask Greg if he remembers his

2991
02:02:46,960 --> 02:02:44,870
dad investigating any other paranormal

2992
02:02:48,670 --> 02:02:46,970
anomalies beside UFOs and cattle

2993
02:02:51,670 --> 02:02:48,680
mutilations and the Dulce or surrounding

2994
02:02:54,730 --> 02:02:51,680
areas and also did he personally see or

2995
02:02:56,629 --> 02:02:54,740
hear about any strange animal orbs or

2996
02:02:59,240 --> 02:02:56,639
hauntings it's a good question

2997
02:03:01,370 --> 02:02:59,250
well at the indian culture religion the

2998
02:03:02,930 --> 02:03:01,380
stories about skinwalkers are prevalent

2999
02:03:04,399 --> 02:03:02,940
I've never seen them personally but

3000
02:03:06,350 --> 02:03:04,409
that's just part of growing up on an

3001
02:03:07,399 --> 02:03:06,360
Indian Reservation so locals will talk

3002
02:03:09,109 --> 02:03:07,409
about that all the time

3003
02:03:10,700 --> 02:03:09,119
what's interesting your question which I

3004
02:03:13,430 --> 02:03:10,710
like a lot is the question about the or

3005
02:03:15,500 --> 02:03:13,440
because in the book I have pictures upon

3006
02:03:17,090 --> 02:03:15,510
might be one of these words versus it's

3007
02:03:19,189 --> 02:03:17,100
not conclusive we're never able to

3008
02:03:21,260 --> 02:03:19,199
determine what it is but on these or

3009
02:03:23,540 --> 02:03:21,270
type mites that they were seen around

3010
02:03:25,700 --> 02:03:23,550
the skinwalker ranch they would also

3011
02:03:27,439 --> 02:03:25,710
seem around Dulce one of the tribal Game

3012
02:03:29,990 --> 02:03:27,449
and Fish officers saw one covering over

3013
02:03:32,060 --> 02:03:30,000
some cattle horses back in the 70s and

3014
02:03:35,090 --> 02:03:32,070
it looks like one of them malfunction

3015
02:03:37,250 --> 02:03:35,100
and may or may not been able to find one

3016
02:03:38,990 --> 02:03:37,260
of these orbs like I said the the jury's

3017
02:03:40,910 --> 02:03:39,000
still out but there's not enough testing

3018
02:03:42,229 --> 02:03:40,920
has been concluded on it but no pictures

3019
02:03:43,520 --> 02:03:42,239
of it are in the book and it'll be on

3020
02:03:45,890 --> 02:03:43,530
the website so you can decide for

3021
02:03:47,570 --> 02:03:45,900
yourself if it's an or or just a crystal

3022
02:03:50,390 --> 02:03:47,580
ball because that's could it could also

3023
02:03:52,850 --> 02:03:50,400
be that - well one thing when I was up

3024
02:03:55,399 --> 02:03:52,860
at the Nouriel Hayakawa's first Dulce

3025
02:03:57,680 --> 02:03:55,409
invest investigate his conference for

3026
02:03:59,300 --> 02:03:57,690
lack of a better term which I invited

3027
02:04:01,520 --> 02:03:59,310
myself to it my dad I was kind of

3028
02:04:03,500 --> 02:04:01,530
surprised he didn't ask me up there so I

3029
02:04:05,209 --> 02:04:03,510
had that pastor party one of the things

3030
02:04:07,070 --> 02:04:05,219
that I was told up there quite to much

3031
02:04:09,649 --> 02:04:07,080
to my surprise this was by a kid that

3032
02:04:12,020 --> 02:04:09,659
was at the desk of the of the the BEST

3033
02:04:14,330 --> 02:04:12,030
WESTERN there and as everybody else was

3034
02:04:16,970 --> 02:04:14,340
breaking for lunch I was packing up some

3035
02:04:18,919 --> 02:04:16,980
gear and he happened to desn't aside say

3036
02:04:20,810 --> 02:04:18,929
indepence I'm talking about the diluent

3037
02:04:22,189 --> 02:04:20,820
the little guys little Harriet dwarfs I

3038
02:04:25,310 --> 02:04:22,199
said what are you talking about he goes

3039
02:04:28,430 --> 02:04:25,320
yes that's the thing people see the most

3040
02:04:29,899 --> 02:04:28,440
of around here and there's even footage

3041
02:04:32,060 --> 02:04:29,909
it was taking that to get the old casino

3042
02:04:34,580 --> 02:04:32,070
went before they moved it but these

3043
02:04:36,439 --> 02:04:34,590
little guys jumping around on hoods of

3044
02:04:38,450 --> 02:04:36,449
cars jumping from car to car and that

3045
02:04:41,450 --> 02:04:38,460
they had gotten this footage of this

3046
02:04:43,399 --> 02:04:41,460
which I really have made quite an effort

3047
02:04:45,830 --> 02:04:43,409
to track down and I do believe it that

3048
02:04:48,379 --> 02:04:45,840
it exists it's just difficult to come up

3049
02:04:51,680 --> 02:04:48,389
with the right person to to go to for it

3050
02:04:53,149 --> 02:04:51,690
have you or your dad heard anything

3051
02:04:55,609 --> 02:04:53,159
about small hairy dwarves that are

3052
02:04:57,169 --> 02:04:55,619
seeing routinely even in town ronzo see

3053
02:04:59,990 --> 02:04:57,179
that's actually one of the common

3054
02:05:02,180 --> 02:05:00,000
stories our own bull see a lot of its

3055
02:05:04,340 --> 02:05:02,190
based on their Indian religion they're

3056
02:05:06,770 --> 02:05:04,350
not caves but there are little holes in

3057
02:05:08,839 --> 02:05:06,780
the sides of the hills rocks that's one

3058
02:05:09,920 --> 02:05:08,849
of part of their traditional Indian

3059
02:05:11,960 --> 02:05:09,930
religion is it

3060
02:05:14,330 --> 02:05:11,970
these dwarves or whatever lived in these

3061
02:05:15,950 --> 02:05:14,340
rock outcroppings so you have to

3062
02:05:18,170 --> 02:05:15,960
interview the person that saw them to

3063
02:05:20,600 --> 02:05:18,180
determine what they really saw but

3064
02:05:23,300 --> 02:05:20,610
that's a pretty common gnome belief of a

3065
02:05:24,560 --> 02:05:23,310
lot of the tribal members so something

3066
02:05:25,790 --> 02:05:24,570
like that wouldn't be reported to the

3067
02:05:27,800 --> 02:05:25,800
State Police

3068
02:05:29,660 --> 02:05:27,810
your dad we can go out on a Haridwar

3069
02:05:31,310 --> 02:05:29,670
fort unless maybe they were trying to

3070
02:05:33,500 --> 02:05:31,320
bugger one of the sheep or something I

3071
02:05:35,870 --> 02:05:33,510
would imagine uh it's not something

3072
02:05:37,880 --> 02:05:35,880
Hebrew tini was having to investigate

3073
02:05:39,980 --> 02:05:37,890
then no unless the dwarf was beating up

3074
02:05:43,310 --> 02:05:39,990
his wife or something then maybe he'd be

3075
02:05:44,780 --> 02:05:43,320
out there he's only heard stories about

3076
02:05:46,670 --> 02:05:44,790
that but it's nothing he really

3077
02:05:47,690 --> 02:05:46,680
investigated it was just what about

3078
02:05:50,330 --> 02:05:47,700
Bigfoot I know

3079
02:05:51,530 --> 02:05:50,340
wait Velarde who was the head of DPS up

3080
02:05:53,060 --> 02:05:51,540
there for many years

3081
02:05:54,650 --> 02:05:53,070
claims that he went out on over a

3082
02:05:57,530 --> 02:05:54,660
hundred cases over the years so

3083
02:05:59,570 --> 02:05:57,540
including a pretty interesting sighting

3084
02:06:01,340 --> 02:05:59,580
he had at close quarters with a a

3085
02:06:03,950 --> 02:06:01,350
Bigfoot that went over his barbed wire

3086
02:06:06,560 --> 02:06:03,960
fence like it was just a slight step

3087
02:06:08,450 --> 02:06:06,570
over it we've never seen any Bigfoot

3088
02:06:09,800 --> 02:06:08,460
sightings up in Deus I know it's kind of

3089
02:06:11,210 --> 02:06:09,810
the expert on that field I talked to him

3090
02:06:12,980 --> 02:06:11,220
a couple weeks ago when I was up and

3091
02:06:14,810 --> 02:06:12,990
we'll see for the book signing you know

3092
02:06:17,000 --> 02:06:14,820
we talked about it a little bit but I

3093
02:06:18,410 --> 02:06:17,010
broke their toe I wasn't pretty much

3094
02:06:20,660 --> 02:06:18,420
finished high school sophomore high

3095
02:06:22,130 --> 02:06:20,670
school I used to do a lot of hunting and

3096
02:06:23,900 --> 02:06:22,140
I was younger and I know that points

3097
02:06:25,190 --> 02:06:23,910
ranches I've been through his ranch

3098
02:06:27,140 --> 02:06:25,200
several times but I've never seen

3099
02:06:29,780 --> 02:06:27,150
anything my dad never came across

3100
02:06:31,370 --> 02:06:29,790
anything they used to patrol for Nicole

3101
02:06:33,170 --> 02:06:31,380
Eggert brownie people used to steal

3102
02:06:35,570 --> 02:06:33,180
unrefined gas from the oil wells and

3103
02:06:37,280 --> 02:06:35,580
they used to patrol the boonies for lack

3104
02:06:38,930 --> 02:06:37,290
of a better term and my dad never saw

3105
02:06:40,940 --> 02:06:38,940
anything like that book boys don't want

3106
02:06:42,320 --> 02:06:40,950
to talk to anybody like Bigfoot cause

3107
02:06:44,300 --> 02:06:42,330
he's supposed to be the expert at no

3108
02:06:46,880 --> 02:06:44,310
soot about that see we got some other

3109
02:06:48,500 --> 02:06:46,890
questions this one comes from our mr.

3110
02:06:50,570 --> 02:06:48,510
dependable Ward who spent a long time

3111
02:06:52,940 --> 02:06:50,580
poster and listener here forum dr.

3112
02:06:55,130 --> 02:06:52,950
Carrick ascom he asked a question about

3113
02:06:57,740 --> 02:06:55,140
Paul bennewitz with which we've covered

3114
02:06:59,300 --> 02:06:57,750
and I don't think he's asking if you

3115
02:07:01,280 --> 02:06:59,310
ever saw the strange balls of light in

3116
02:07:03,020 --> 02:07:01,290
Paul's house I don't think you did you

3117
02:07:05,720 --> 02:07:03,030
would have mentioned it did you or your

3118
02:07:07,670 --> 02:07:05,730
father ever see those injection marks on

3119
02:07:10,220 --> 02:07:07,680
Paul he said he was receiving from the

3120
02:07:11,780 --> 02:07:10,230
aliens didn't know more ever relate to

3121
02:07:14,570 --> 02:07:11,790
you or again that he was covertly

3122
02:07:17,930 --> 02:07:14,580
working for the office of Air Force

3123
02:07:20,470 --> 02:07:17,940
Special Investigations fo si as far as

3124
02:07:22,730 --> 02:07:20,480
an injection mark Sudan we never saw any

3125
02:07:23,479 --> 02:07:22,740
specific injection marks we saw him like

3126
02:07:25,069 --> 02:07:23,489
blotches on

3127
02:07:26,870 --> 02:07:25,079
skin well we didn't know where it came

3128
02:07:29,509 --> 02:07:26,880
from he's the smoke a lot too soon or

3129
02:07:32,180 --> 02:07:29,519
who was this hygiene injection marks

3130
02:07:34,310 --> 02:07:32,190
whatever the cases so he did have get

3131
02:07:36,830 --> 02:07:34,320
some rash sores whatever the case may be

3132
02:07:39,529 --> 02:07:36,840
but uh no nothing specific that showed

3133
02:07:41,270 --> 02:07:39,539
injection marks as far as bill more no

3134
02:07:43,970 --> 02:07:41,280
one knew about no more until after the

3135
02:07:45,770 --> 02:07:43,980
fact till he went to Las Vegas announced

3136
02:07:47,750 --> 02:07:45,780
it to the conference so that's a time

3137
02:07:50,209 --> 02:07:47,760
period my dad didn't know who he was

3138
02:07:51,830 --> 02:07:50,219
working for he was in contact with him

3139
02:07:53,810 --> 02:07:51,840
of course because they were all in

3140
02:07:55,220 --> 02:07:53,820
contact with each other but um he wasn't

3141
02:07:57,259 --> 02:07:55,230
aware that bill was tied with the Air

3142
02:07:59,870 --> 02:07:57,269
Force at that time well until after the

3143
02:08:01,729 --> 02:07:59,880
fact having learned what Bill Moore was

3144
02:08:04,069 --> 02:08:01,739
doing what he was up to what was his

3145
02:08:05,689 --> 02:08:04,079
reaction what was your reaction it all

3146
02:08:08,629 --> 02:08:05,699
comes together that's what the book is

3147
02:08:10,700 --> 02:08:08,639
for cuz that's pretty much a big chunk

3148
02:08:13,459 --> 02:08:10,710
of the book is just explaining how these

3149
02:08:16,009 --> 02:08:13,469
different stories of course hindsight is

3150
02:08:18,169 --> 02:08:16,019
20/20 now it makes sense now but that

3151
02:08:20,089 --> 02:08:18,179
during the middle of it no one was knew

3152
02:08:21,439 --> 02:08:20,099
who was doing what to whose dark because

3153
02:08:24,109 --> 02:08:21,449
there were so many different stories

3154
02:08:25,879 --> 02:08:24,119
going on now it all comes together and

3155
02:08:28,040 --> 02:08:25,889
that's what the books were to put the

3156
02:08:30,109 --> 02:08:28,050
puzzle together in the meantime people

3157
02:08:32,359 --> 02:08:30,119
have spun off some of these stories and

3158
02:08:34,520 --> 02:08:32,369
a lot of it's just it's flat-out junk is

3159
02:08:36,560 --> 02:08:34,530
what it is and they've added stuff so

3160
02:08:37,850 --> 02:08:36,570
this hopefully gives people back in line

3161
02:08:39,890 --> 02:08:37,860
where they can see what really happened

3162
02:08:41,959 --> 02:08:39,900
because it's an important story a lot of

3163
02:08:44,000 --> 02:08:41,969
it is true but you don't know what is

3164
02:08:45,950 --> 02:08:44,010
true and what's not before you kind of

3165
02:08:48,229 --> 02:08:45,960
make up your own mind in people saw the

3166
02:08:50,060 --> 02:08:48,239
option to make their own decisions after

3167
02:08:51,709 --> 02:08:50,070
they read the book depending on what

3168
02:08:53,870 --> 02:08:51,719
they view as evidence or not view as

3169
02:08:55,279 --> 02:08:53,880
evidence and don't get an accurate story

3170
02:08:57,169 --> 02:08:55,289
of what really happened from someone

3171
02:08:59,390 --> 02:08:57,179
that was really there not someone that

3172
02:09:01,250 --> 02:08:59,400
just kind of tacked together stuff on

3173
02:09:03,020 --> 02:09:01,260
the internet or threw in a bunch of

3174
02:09:05,149 --> 02:09:03,030
comments which is pretty common with the

3175
02:09:07,399 --> 02:09:05,159
dosage stories there's probably more

3176
02:09:09,649 --> 02:09:07,409
kind of myth and legend around the old

3177
02:09:12,080 --> 02:09:09,659
dos 8 scenario than practically any

3178
02:09:14,120 --> 02:09:12,090
other subject in the ufology especially

3179
02:09:16,520 --> 02:09:14,130
but in the paranormal some of the stuff

3180
02:09:18,680 --> 02:09:16,530
that that's out there Anthony Sanchez we

3181
02:09:20,569 --> 02:09:18,690
had him on the show it was a bit of a

3182
02:09:21,859 --> 02:09:20,579
train wreck I must say he really

3183
02:09:25,520 --> 02:09:21,869
believes that this guy's the real deal

3184
02:09:26,989 --> 02:09:25,530
but his dd-214 doesn't pass muster and

3185
02:09:29,209 --> 02:09:26,999
there's some real problems with it what

3186
02:09:31,370 --> 02:09:29,219
did you dad think of all these crazy

3187
02:09:33,649 --> 02:09:31,380
Dulce stories and did you think that

3188
02:09:35,020 --> 02:09:33,659
there was the possibility that this was

3189
02:09:37,149 --> 02:09:35,030
plan distant

3190
02:09:40,240 --> 02:09:37,159
nation but if you think it was just a

3191
02:09:42,279 --> 02:09:40,250
lot of wanna believe types spraying

3192
02:09:43,419 --> 02:09:42,289
rumors and stories well part of an

3193
02:09:44,890 --> 02:09:43,429
investigation you have to look at

3194
02:09:47,020 --> 02:09:44,900
everything whether you want to look at

3195
02:09:48,580 --> 02:09:47,030
it or not or whether you like it and

3196
02:09:49,029 --> 02:09:48,590
that's part of is you have to talk to

3197
02:09:50,020 --> 02:09:49,039
all of them

3198
02:09:51,970 --> 02:09:50,030
and he would take it with a grain of

3199
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listening to the parrot cat and it's as

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3319
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3320
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gene and Chris Chris do you have any

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3322
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everything we've covered everything you

3323
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know of course I just I could go on all

3324
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day with Greg this is a real thrill for

3325
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me too to finally meet him and have a

3326
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chance to to look it's just incredible

3327
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documentation here I mean hundreds of

3328
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photographs it's just it's chilling to

3329
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see all this information and you know

3330
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I'll bet you know when the site is up

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and running and everything and you're

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gonna it's going to become an instant

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hit on at least in this particular you

3334
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know the paranormal realm because

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there's very few sites that are based on

3336
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solid investigative documentation and

3337
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very few and this is a testament to your

3338
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efforts and keeping you know your dad's

3339
02:15:47,670 --> 02:15:45,040
work alive and in the public I think

3340
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it's very important my questions really

3341
02:15:54,120 --> 02:15:50,250
would would be more around the myths

3342
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involvement I know your dad appreciated

3343
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the effort that Robert Bigelow was

3344
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making gathering a team of real

3345
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dedicated professionals in their various

3346
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fields he was a kindred spirit in that

3347
02:16:10,830 --> 02:16:08,140
sense being a field investigator with a

3348
02:16:12,870 --> 02:16:10,840
lot of credentials what were some of the

3349
02:16:15,120 --> 02:16:12,880
things about the Mint's work that he did

3350
02:16:17,820 --> 02:16:15,130
for four or five years that sticks with

3351
02:16:19,530 --> 02:16:17,830
you and and what were some of his

3352
02:16:22,650 --> 02:16:19,540
feelings about the results that they

3353
02:16:25,140 --> 02:16:22,660
were coming up with in most specifically

3354
02:16:28,260 --> 02:16:25,150
the Mad Cow our connection my dad was

3355
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like move on when new G was founded they

3356
02:16:31,080 --> 02:16:29,530
were all excited to have our money

3357
02:16:33,330 --> 02:16:31,090
source is what it comes down to to

3358
02:16:34,530 --> 02:16:33,340
actually start researching this like I

3359
02:16:36,390 --> 02:16:34,540
mentioned earlier they didn't have any

3360
02:16:37,379 --> 02:16:36,400
veterinary services early on with the

3361
02:16:39,780 --> 02:16:37,389
state believes they could care less

3362
02:16:41,879 --> 02:16:39,790
about dead cows they just don't have a

3363
02:16:44,669 --> 02:16:41,889
budget for it so who's gonna do quality

3364
02:16:46,290 --> 02:16:44,679
research so nades provided that MUFON

3365
02:16:47,959 --> 02:16:46,300
jumped on board and they have the

3366
02:16:50,580 --> 02:16:47,969
agreement where Oh

3367
02:16:53,370 --> 02:16:50,590
Bigelow would give them reports on what

3368
02:16:55,290 --> 02:16:53,380
was going on but what it appears to be

3369
02:16:58,049 --> 02:16:55,300
is just a trap from everything I've seen

3370
02:16:59,549 --> 02:16:58,059
because they never did get MUFON any

3371
02:17:01,379 --> 02:16:59,559
other information they were supposed to

3372
02:17:02,160 --> 02:17:01,389
give them talking about knits and they

3373
02:17:05,129 --> 02:17:02,170
started doing that

3374
02:17:06,540 --> 02:17:05,139
with my dad and as my dad got into no

3375
02:17:07,770 --> 02:17:06,550
more of the relations because they were

3376
02:17:10,530 --> 02:17:07,780
starting to happen more frequently

3377
02:17:12,690 --> 02:17:10,540
during that time period they were

3378
02:17:15,900 --> 02:17:12,700
stumbling into a lot of mad cow chronic

3379
02:17:17,640 --> 02:17:15,910
wasting disease some evidence from these

3380
02:17:20,969 --> 02:17:17,650
mutilations but it wasn't being released

3381
02:17:24,990 --> 02:17:20,979
to the public which is scary it's very

3382
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very scary and you can see why this is a

3383
02:17:29,700 --> 02:17:27,790
very complex story people kind of look

3384
02:17:31,230 --> 02:17:29,710
at it from the basic level and see well

3385
02:17:33,600 --> 02:17:31,240
why doesn't the government do this or

3386
02:17:36,660 --> 02:17:33,610
just my cows that came up earlier if you

3387
02:17:39,450 --> 02:17:36,670
talked about you you have something that

3388
02:17:41,280 --> 02:17:39,460
affects beef industry the health

3389
02:17:43,469 --> 02:17:41,290
industry all these different industries

3390
02:17:47,219 --> 02:17:43,479
it's very complex complicated and

3391
02:17:48,480 --> 02:17:47,229
complex and it's a headache gone so when

3392
02:17:52,080 --> 02:17:48,490
the wasting disease mad cow disease

3393
02:17:54,480 --> 02:17:52,090
that's a hot potato but it came out on

3394
02:17:56,969 --> 02:17:54,490
but very few news media organizations

3395
02:17:59,129 --> 02:17:56,979
actually don't they just kind of ignored

3396
02:18:00,600 --> 02:17:59,139
it which is scary because now if you

3397
02:18:02,610 --> 02:18:00,610
kind of look in there's documentaries

3398
02:18:04,500 --> 02:18:02,620
that you can see about beef and some of

3399
02:18:07,049 --> 02:18:04,510
the contamination people need to be a

3400
02:18:08,790 --> 02:18:07,059
word about it well one thing most people

3401
02:18:12,120 --> 02:18:08,800
don't know is the Sherman Antitrust Act

3402
02:18:15,000 --> 02:18:12,130
I think of 1912 was not done to break up

3403
02:18:17,219 --> 02:18:15,010
Standard Oil or to break up Ford Motor

3404
02:18:20,520 --> 02:18:17,229
Company it was done to break up the beef

3405
02:18:23,640 --> 02:18:20,530
trust that's why we have any the

3406
02:18:25,650 --> 02:18:23,650
original antitrust legislation in the

3407
02:18:27,390 --> 02:18:25,660
United States the beef Lobby is one of

3408
02:18:29,459 --> 02:18:27,400
the largest most powerful lobbies and

3409
02:18:32,160 --> 02:18:29,469
the one that you hear the least about

3410
02:18:34,530 --> 02:18:32,170
again I mentioned this prior beef is the

3411
02:18:40,910 --> 02:18:34,540
single largest moneymaker in agriculture

3412
02:18:43,110 --> 02:18:40,920
and if you had a 100% deadly lethal

3413
02:18:44,730 --> 02:18:43,120
misfolded protein loose in the food

3414
02:18:46,589 --> 02:18:44,740
chain I would think that somebody out

3415
02:18:48,990 --> 02:18:46,599
there would come up with the resources

3416
02:18:52,610 --> 02:18:49,000
to monitor the potential spread of this

3417
02:18:55,890 --> 02:18:52,620
of this scourge through cattle herds and

3418
02:18:57,780 --> 02:18:55,900
this is a I think a connection point

3419
02:19:00,959 --> 02:18:57,790
with the mutilation phenomenon in the

3420
02:19:02,370 --> 02:19:00,969
90s especially and beyond that deserves

3421
02:19:04,799 --> 02:19:02,380
a lot more attention than it's gotten

3422
02:19:07,350 --> 02:19:04,809
from people like Linda Howe and some

3423
02:19:09,690 --> 02:19:07,360
others who are promoting more fantastic

3424
02:19:11,459 --> 02:19:09,700
explanations for the rationale to

3425
02:19:13,480 --> 02:19:11,469
mutilate livestock around around the

3426
02:19:15,610 --> 02:19:13,490
world when you think of that mad cow

3427
02:19:17,320 --> 02:19:15,620
you mentioned it it's a little

3428
02:19:18,190 --> 02:19:17,330
frightening but what did your dad think

3429
02:19:20,830 --> 02:19:18,200
about it as well

3430
02:19:23,500 --> 02:19:20,840
this gives unique indication Christian

3431
02:19:25,000 --> 02:19:23,510
Siriano I'm not exactly skinny I'm 250

3432
02:19:27,520 --> 02:19:25,010
Powell in love 6-2

3433
02:19:29,890 --> 02:19:27,530
my dad is from northern New Mexico we

3434
02:19:32,440 --> 02:19:29,900
grew up eating meat butcher Alam every

3435
02:19:33,549 --> 02:19:32,450
week almost growing up can give you they

3436
02:19:35,410 --> 02:19:33,559
need an indication of what my dad

3437
02:19:36,870 --> 02:19:35,420
thought about it he quit eating meat the

3438
02:19:39,060 --> 02:19:36,880
last two years of his life

3439
02:19:41,410 --> 02:19:39,070
you pretty much became a vegetarian

3440
02:19:44,350 --> 02:19:41,420
that's unheard of for northern New

3441
02:19:46,570 --> 02:19:44,360
Mexico Spanish man to quit eating any

3442
02:19:49,030 --> 02:19:46,580
type of meat so wow I didn't know that

3443
02:19:51,370 --> 02:19:49,040
yeah he lost a lot of weight just from

3444
02:19:54,460 --> 02:19:51,380
eating healthy use basically healthy but

3445
02:19:56,350 --> 02:19:54,470
a lot he saw you know doing what he did

3446
02:19:58,210 --> 02:19:56,360
it it's enough to get him to go

3447
02:20:00,130 --> 02:19:58,220
vegetarian so Wow

3448
02:20:02,860 --> 02:20:00,140
that's an indication of what he thought

3449
02:20:05,170 --> 02:20:02,870
about it this is kind of a bit of an

3450
02:20:07,990 --> 02:20:05,180
uncomfortable question for me but when

3451
02:20:09,130 --> 02:20:08,000
your dad passed um I immediately started

3452
02:20:11,170 --> 02:20:09,140
giving rumblings that there was

3453
02:20:13,210 --> 02:20:11,180
something strange about that I've done a

3454
02:20:15,070 --> 02:20:13,220
little bit of research on this I think

3455
02:20:17,410 --> 02:20:15,080
he had relatives that had died at the

3456
02:20:18,400 --> 02:20:17,420
same age he always appeared to be fairly

3457
02:20:21,100 --> 02:20:18,410
healthy to me

3458
02:20:22,840 --> 02:20:21,110
especially you're describing he became a

3459
02:20:25,630 --> 02:20:22,850
vegetarian and lost a lot of weight I

3460
02:20:27,490 --> 02:20:25,640
know he worked out what if some of them

3461
02:20:30,240 --> 02:20:27,500
what are you thinking I mean in terms of

3462
02:20:32,560 --> 02:20:30,250
his actual death I mean does that ever

3463
02:20:34,750 --> 02:20:32,570
made you kind of scratch your head or

3464
02:20:36,610 --> 02:20:34,760
was this something that you reconciled

3465
02:20:38,920 --> 02:20:36,620
in with yourself

3466
02:20:40,450 --> 02:20:38,930
yeah we looked at that too cuz just by

3467
02:20:41,890 --> 02:20:40,460
coincidence that Bay before he died he

3468
02:20:44,080 --> 02:20:41,900
was telling a friend you know massage

3469
02:20:45,850 --> 02:20:44,090
Mosab almost not develop this weapon

3470
02:20:48,219 --> 02:20:45,860
they can give you a heart attack by

3471
02:20:49,570 --> 02:20:48,229
shooting you through the trip from the

3472
02:20:50,830 --> 02:20:49,580
street and you don't even know what

3473
02:20:54,280 --> 02:20:50,840
happened of course he died from a heart

3474
02:20:57,370 --> 02:20:54,290
attack but we have family members are in

3475
02:21:00,400 --> 02:20:57,380
the medical field that I do and we

3476
02:21:02,050 --> 02:21:00,410
noticed that he had diabetes when it

3477
02:21:03,580 --> 02:21:02,060
appears to be diabetes we try to get him

3478
02:21:05,650 --> 02:21:03,590
to go to the doctor about a year before

3479
02:21:07,390 --> 02:21:05,660
he died and he locked himself into the

3480
02:21:09,520 --> 02:21:07,400
truck he didn't want to go to the doctor

3481
02:21:12,520 --> 02:21:09,530
this is a stubborn that's northern New

3482
02:21:15,370 --> 02:21:12,530
Mexico and all my aunts and uncles died

3483
02:21:17,140 --> 02:21:15,380
I don't think it even went it pass 68

3484
02:21:18,520 --> 02:21:17,150
and they've all had heart attacks so

3485
02:21:20,830 --> 02:21:18,530
it's something that's more genetic but

3486
02:21:22,330 --> 02:21:20,840
we didn't look at it that that's come up

3487
02:21:24,969 --> 02:21:22,340
several times about people just because

3488
02:21:26,320 --> 02:21:24,979
of a nature stuff he was involved in but

3489
02:21:28,360 --> 02:21:26,330
it doesn't look

3490
02:21:30,130 --> 02:21:28,370
there has never been any evidence of

3491
02:21:31,900 --> 02:21:30,140
foul play that the government was

3492
02:21:34,600 --> 02:21:31,910
involved or they were trying to push him

3493
02:21:37,301 --> 02:21:34,610
up because he wasn't necessarily sick

3494
02:21:39,250 --> 02:21:37,311
but he had symptoms of diabetes that he

3495
02:21:42,700 --> 02:21:39,260
didn't treat and we tried to get him to

3496
02:21:46,360 --> 02:21:42,710
we knew something might be wrong that he

3497
02:21:48,130 --> 02:21:46,370
was not anything sinister anything like

3498
02:21:49,450 --> 02:21:48,140
that just he needed a doctor he just

3499
02:21:51,551 --> 02:21:49,460
went to go to the doctor and that was

3500
02:21:53,110 --> 02:21:51,561
about a year before so we kind of

3501
02:21:55,000 --> 02:21:53,120
figured it was diabetes

3502
02:21:57,520 --> 02:21:55,010
well another another couple of

3503
02:22:02,430 --> 02:21:57,530
interesting things that I've heard from

3504
02:22:07,060 --> 02:22:02,440
Gabe himself involved he made these very

3505
02:22:09,250 --> 02:22:07,070
interesting veiled comments that were

3506
02:22:11,350 --> 02:22:09,260
sensitive issues that's too sensitive to

3507
02:22:15,520 --> 02:22:11,360
talk about he would constantly use that

3508
02:22:18,761 --> 02:22:15,530
term in his last interview with the open

3509
02:22:20,440 --> 02:22:18,771
minds food Alejandro Rojas he was

3510
02:22:22,930 --> 02:22:20,450
hinting around like he was about ready

3511
02:22:25,540 --> 02:22:22,940
to come out and talk about some of these

3512
02:22:27,551 --> 02:22:25,550
areas that he even told me on occasion

3513
02:22:30,250 --> 02:22:27,561
that he really didn't feel comfortable

3514
02:22:33,040 --> 02:22:30,260
going in and talking about what I

3515
02:22:34,630 --> 02:22:33,050
assumed was the level of his

3516
02:22:36,370 --> 02:22:34,640
understanding of the military and

3517
02:22:39,190 --> 02:22:36,380
government involvement in and around the

3518
02:22:41,440 --> 02:22:39,200
Dulce area but do you have any comments

3519
02:22:44,110 --> 02:22:41,450
on that I mean was he getting ready to

3520
02:22:46,600 --> 02:22:44,120
come out and and and say something more

3521
02:22:48,670 --> 02:22:46,610
because he that was very very close to

3522
02:22:50,650 --> 02:22:48,680
the best I mean he really was oh he was

3523
02:22:52,900 --> 02:22:50,660
a cop we cut the cups and by that what

3524
02:22:54,460 --> 02:22:52,910
they're doing that way naturally oh you

3525
02:22:55,810 --> 02:22:54,470
have to because I mean as I mentioned

3526
02:22:57,400 --> 02:22:55,820
earlier ordinance he had to sign a

3527
02:22:58,420 --> 02:22:57,410
nondisclosure agreement and we should

3528
02:22:59,860 --> 02:22:58,430
tease him because he's to use a word

3529
02:23:01,180 --> 02:22:59,870
sensitive all the time he would tell

3530
02:23:03,340 --> 02:23:01,190
people I know who did it but I can't

3531
02:23:06,130 --> 02:23:03,350
tell you I was like why bother telling

3532
02:23:07,660 --> 02:23:06,140
them that if you tell them or don't tell

3533
02:23:09,400 --> 02:23:07,670
so you figured all boiled down just to

3534
02:23:11,020 --> 02:23:09,410
the mid saying because he was saying

3535
02:23:14,140 --> 02:23:11,030
this to me before he got involved with

3536
02:23:16,330 --> 02:23:14,150
this yeah that's part of it but as we've

3537
02:23:18,011 --> 02:23:16,340
been talking it's a very complex story

3538
02:23:19,150 --> 02:23:18,021
you have this classified aircraft

3539
02:23:21,850 --> 02:23:19,160
because a lot of people have ignored

3540
02:23:24,250 --> 02:23:21,860
that we've documented that since the mid

3541
02:23:26,320 --> 02:23:24,260
80s so you know this spy craft which is

3542
02:23:27,970 --> 02:23:26,330
another headache that's one headache is

3543
02:23:30,040 --> 02:23:27,980
your doing getting into classified

3544
02:23:31,450 --> 02:23:30,050
military aircraft that hasn't been

3545
02:23:34,270 --> 02:23:31,460
released but we know it's there because

3546
02:23:36,610 --> 02:23:34,280
there's photos of it and there's a trail

3547
02:23:39,340 --> 02:23:36,620
of that then you we just touched on it

3548
02:23:40,780 --> 02:23:39,350
earlier about the mad cow the way

3549
02:23:43,899 --> 02:23:40,790
disease that's a whole nother kind of

3550
02:23:45,550 --> 02:23:43,909
work so when he was saying it sensitive

3551
02:23:48,309 --> 02:23:45,560
it is sensitive it affects a lot of

3552
02:23:50,950 --> 02:23:48,319
military it affects Americans in general

3553
02:23:52,929 --> 02:23:50,960
you have radiation potential radiation

3554
02:23:55,450 --> 02:23:52,939
contamination there's a lot of evidence

3555
02:23:57,490 --> 02:23:55,460
that they were testing on the Native

3556
02:24:00,070 --> 02:23:57,500
Americans up in Dulce the government was

3557
02:24:02,260 --> 02:24:00,080
doing a lot of weird tests which the

3558
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book kind of gets into so you have a lot

3559
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for 40 years tell you what guys this

3560
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could obviously make someone paranoid

3561
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you know they're tapping your phone

3562
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they're after you people are getting

3563
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sick what's going on here Greg Valdez

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3668
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you're listening to the para cast the

3669
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3670
02:29:07,751 --> 02:29:05,020
so Greg Valdez joining gene and Chris in

3671
02:29:09,940 --> 02:29:07,761
the para cast Greg in light of all this

3672
02:29:12,280 --> 02:29:09,950
do you find reason to be a little you

3673
02:29:13,810 --> 02:29:12,290
know paranoid about things going on no

3674
02:29:15,910 --> 02:29:13,820
I've been around this long enough alone

3675
02:29:17,560 --> 02:29:15,920
if they're gonna come take my stuff

3676
02:29:19,120 --> 02:29:17,570
they're gonna come take it they already

3677
02:29:20,680 --> 02:29:19,130
have it because my dad used to give it

3678
02:29:22,600 --> 02:29:20,690
to everyone anyway to give them copies

3679
02:29:26,740 --> 02:29:22,610
he work for names they got access to it

3680
02:29:31,120 --> 02:29:26,750
um Edward Snowden and Bradley Manning

3681
02:29:33,160 --> 02:29:31,130
have already explained that take it

3682
02:29:34,870 --> 02:29:33,170
anyway so I'm not too worried about that

3683
02:29:36,430 --> 02:29:34,880
a lot of people kind of get paranoid on

3684
02:29:39,430 --> 02:29:36,440
this stuff and for some of them there's

3685
02:29:40,900 --> 02:29:39,440
legitimate reason but they know what's

3686
02:29:44,801 --> 02:29:40,910
going on they don't need me to write a

3687
02:29:47,740 --> 02:29:44,811
book to to highlighted them and the

3688
02:29:49,570 --> 02:29:47,750
thing is this kind of if they were to

3689
02:29:51,430 --> 02:29:49,580
come out and say stop doing this stop

3690
02:29:53,740 --> 02:29:51,440
talking they go Jetta Mies everything

3691
02:29:57,131 --> 02:29:53,750
I'm saying they run more risk by making

3692
02:29:58,961 --> 02:29:57,141
me be quiet so those are kind of leave

3693
02:30:01,450 --> 02:29:58,971
you alone and monitor you and make sure

3694
02:30:03,341 --> 02:30:01,460
you're not reading too much trouble it's

3695
02:30:04,511 --> 02:30:03,351
what it comes down to we've heard

3696
02:30:05,830 --> 02:30:04,521
stories or other people have written

3697
02:30:07,390 --> 02:30:05,840
books and then they say well the Air

3698
02:30:09,310 --> 02:30:07,400
Force came to my house the other day to

3699
02:30:10,870 --> 02:30:09,320
talk to me about you my book they don't

3700
02:30:13,301 --> 02:30:10,880
do that I've been in law enforcement

3701
02:30:14,950 --> 02:30:13,311
because they don't show their cards

3702
02:30:17,200 --> 02:30:14,960
unless they have to show their cards and

3703
02:30:18,700 --> 02:30:17,210
them so a lot of those stories are joke

3704
02:30:21,251 --> 02:30:18,710
they're not gonna come bother me until I

3705
02:30:22,480 --> 02:30:21,261
cross that line hopefully I don't ever

3706
02:30:25,091 --> 02:30:22,490
cross that line but I don't want any

3707
02:30:28,240 --> 02:30:25,101
visit for people but it's kind of a game

3708
02:30:30,761 --> 02:30:28,250
in it's law enforcement I kind of learn

3709
02:30:32,530 --> 02:30:30,771
the game hopefully so I'm not too

3710
02:30:33,580 --> 02:30:32,540
worried about it and if they do come

3711
02:30:35,230 --> 02:30:33,590
bother me

3712
02:30:37,780 --> 02:30:35,240
they don't legitimize everything that's

3713
02:30:41,320 --> 02:30:37,790
in the book in just hammer at home you

3714
02:30:44,230 --> 02:30:41,330
know Wow so as far as the book is

3715
02:30:46,841 --> 02:30:44,240
concerned when did you start writing it

3716
02:30:48,280 --> 02:30:46,851
why'd you decide to do it I actually

3717
02:30:50,320 --> 02:30:48,290
started writing in them

3718
02:30:51,700 --> 02:30:50,330
not too long after my dad died because I

3719
02:30:52,780 --> 02:30:51,710
knit up with all the smiles I'm only one

3720
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that knows what they mean because I can

3721
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look at these pictures and tell you when

3722
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it was picture has taken so by default I

3723
02:31:00,791 --> 02:30:59,480
got I inherited them and my brothers

3724
02:31:03,041 --> 02:31:00,801
didn't really know what they meant so

3725
02:31:04,870 --> 02:31:03,051
investigators are calling me asking for

3726
02:31:06,131 --> 02:31:04,880
files you know the guys and my dad had

3727
02:31:07,570 --> 02:31:06,141
been around for years and he trusted

3728
02:31:09,520 --> 02:31:07,580
them so I gave them a picture here

3729
02:31:12,060 --> 02:31:09,530
picture there well but every time I

3730
02:31:14,060 --> 02:31:12,070
explained it it turned into a five page

3731
02:31:17,920 --> 02:31:14,070
report on what one

3732
02:31:20,870 --> 02:31:17,930
Sherman so basically I'm lazy and I said

3733
02:31:22,490 --> 02:31:20,880
look for and organize it because I was

3734
02:31:26,090 --> 02:31:22,500
chronicling the lot of the evidence

3735
02:31:27,890 --> 02:31:26,100
anyway trying to get it organized so I

3736
02:31:29,330 --> 02:31:27,900
was trying to put it into report form so

3737
02:31:31,730 --> 02:31:29,340
it would be easy when investigators

3738
02:31:33,530 --> 02:31:31,740
would would ask for it to end up turning

3739
02:31:35,270 --> 02:31:33,540
and it was I was in there writing a book

3740
02:31:37,490 --> 02:31:35,280
anyway so I said I might as well just

3741
02:31:39,980 --> 02:31:37,500
put it and organize it and get it get

3742
02:31:41,540 --> 02:31:39,990
the story straight and then uh my dad

3743
02:31:43,190 --> 02:31:41,550
would get this and I kind of got this

3744
02:31:44,960 --> 02:31:43,200
too when people would ask me questions

3745
02:31:47,480 --> 02:31:44,970
about Lucy I get frustrated because they

3746
02:31:49,940 --> 02:31:47,490
were so off the mark on because their

3747
02:31:52,490 --> 02:31:49,950
information is based off of false

3748
02:31:53,900 --> 02:31:52,500
stories and then you I would try to

3749
02:31:55,580 --> 02:31:53,910
explain it to them and they either get

3750
02:31:57,710 --> 02:31:55,590
mad at me for trying to help them out

3751
02:31:59,660 --> 02:31:57,720
and it's frustrating because they're

3752
02:32:02,990 --> 02:31:59,670
arguing with you over something that's

3753
02:32:04,520 --> 02:32:03,000
false so I said just deciding you know

3754
02:32:06,320 --> 02:32:04,530
it's a tribute to my dad I wrote it for

3755
02:32:08,150 --> 02:32:06,330
my dad to get his story documented

3756
02:32:10,040 --> 02:32:08,160
because he knew a lot and I'm gonna

3757
02:32:12,230 --> 02:32:10,050
start forgetting it unfortunately he's

3758
02:32:14,000 --> 02:32:12,240
not here right now but there's no need

3759
02:32:15,830 --> 02:32:14,010
in losing all the information he had in

3760
02:32:18,170 --> 02:32:15,840
all I remember I better write it down

3761
02:32:19,970 --> 02:32:18,180
because all events you forget some of

3762
02:32:22,400 --> 02:32:19,980
this stuff too so I thought it was

3763
02:32:23,990 --> 02:32:22,410
important to document his story well

3764
02:32:26,450 --> 02:32:24,000
we're glad that you finally decided to

3765
02:32:29,030 --> 02:32:26,460
do it from here where do you go do you

3766
02:32:30,620 --> 02:32:29,040
continue to research this subject and

3767
02:32:34,550 --> 02:32:30,630
try to figure out more of what is going

3768
02:32:36,170 --> 02:32:34,560
on yeah I keep bone tabs up I still have

3769
02:32:38,150 --> 02:32:36,180
contacts with some of the investigators

3770
02:32:40,130 --> 02:32:38,160
the book kind of tells you what's coming

3771
02:32:43,430 --> 02:32:40,140
on so hopefully a lot of the answers are

3772
02:32:45,050 --> 02:32:43,440
the questions are answered so um there's

3773
02:32:45,800 --> 02:32:45,060
only so much it can be done from my

3774
02:32:48,170 --> 02:32:45,810
perspective

3775
02:32:50,750 --> 02:32:48,180
I'll help people like I mentioned the

3776
02:32:52,460 --> 02:32:50,760
book I don't never seen any evidence of

3777
02:32:54,800 --> 02:32:52,470
aliens but if you can bring me evidence

3778
02:32:57,710 --> 02:32:54,810
of aliens and duel see I'm trying to

3779
02:32:59,750 --> 02:32:57,720
help you verify either than b2 you know

3780
02:33:01,910 --> 02:32:59,760
I have knowledge of the area so I can

3781
02:33:04,490 --> 02:33:01,920
help people there's a lot more to this

3782
02:33:07,820 --> 02:33:04,500
there's the cancer rates there's the

3783
02:33:09,800 --> 02:33:07,830
potential storage of nuclear waste

3784
02:33:11,780 --> 02:33:09,810
you have the wasting disease so there's

3785
02:33:13,520 --> 02:33:11,790
it's not like there's the works done it

3786
02:33:15,710 --> 02:33:13,530
just people need to get back on track

3787
02:33:17,300 --> 02:33:15,720
and look at the right area to dig up

3788
02:33:20,060 --> 02:33:17,310
more stuff instead of kind of getting

3789
02:33:21,920 --> 02:33:20,070
spinning their tail and kind of inside

3790
02:33:23,420 --> 02:33:21,930
tracked on some of the the side issues

3791
02:33:25,070 --> 02:33:23,430
that have popped up in don't see so if

3792
02:33:27,080 --> 02:33:25,080
people need help I would I wouldn't

3793
02:33:27,600 --> 02:33:27,090
might help you know doing more research

3794
02:33:30,001 --> 02:33:27,610
and

3795
02:33:33,211 --> 02:33:30,011
regarde to get more of the story up the

3796
02:33:35,341 --> 02:33:33,221
true story not some of the fantasy stuff

3797
02:33:38,671 --> 02:33:35,351
that's floating around I think one thing

3798
02:33:40,410 --> 02:33:38,681
to learn in this crazy field and I've

3799
02:33:43,200 --> 02:33:40,420
done I've caused everybody to laugh

3800
02:33:46,440 --> 02:33:43,210
completely hysterically here one of the

3801
02:33:49,950 --> 02:33:46,450
things we learned here is that number

3802
02:33:52,410 --> 02:33:49,960
one you can't kill a good story so even

3803
02:33:55,171 --> 02:33:52,420
if a story is disproven it's gonna be

3804
02:33:56,581 --> 02:33:55,181
resurrected by somebody somebody is

3805
02:33:59,400 --> 02:33:56,591
going to decide you know what I can

3806
02:34:00,930 --> 02:33:59,410
write a book about that or I could tell

3807
02:34:03,301 --> 02:34:00,940
a story about that or I can go on

3808
02:34:05,251 --> 02:34:03,311
certain radio shows about that and

3809
02:34:08,251 --> 02:34:05,261
pretend to be knowledgeable so they will

3810
02:34:15,530 --> 02:34:08,261
continue to tell the story so how do you

3811
02:34:19,831 --> 02:34:18,060
the whole purpose of the book is to get

3812
02:34:22,560 --> 02:34:19,841
my dad's story if people want to add

3813
02:34:25,140 --> 02:34:22,570
takeaway that's their business but the

3814
02:34:27,841 --> 02:34:25,150
as far as I'm concerned the book is the

3815
02:34:29,970 --> 02:34:27,851
go-to authority on duel see there's

3816
02:34:31,140 --> 02:34:29,980
issues outside of duel see people can

3817
02:34:33,150 --> 02:34:31,150
talk about that that's not my concern

3818
02:34:34,950 --> 02:34:33,160
because I didn't investigate either that

3819
02:34:36,950 --> 02:34:34,960
stuff my dad wasn't involved in some of

3820
02:34:39,810 --> 02:34:36,960
that stuff but if it comes to Google see

3821
02:34:42,001 --> 02:34:39,820
this book will we'll send it straight in

3822
02:34:44,251 --> 02:34:42,011
at least it's established from someone

3823
02:34:46,081 --> 02:34:44,261
credible not just someone that heard

3824
02:34:47,910 --> 02:34:46,091
about it or heard from a friend that

3825
02:34:49,501 --> 02:34:47,920
talked to a friend that knew someone in

3826
02:34:52,081 --> 02:34:49,511
the military or one of those stories

3827
02:34:54,240 --> 02:34:52,091
it's from the source it gets the sense

3828
02:34:54,810 --> 02:34:54,250
of record street and that's that was one

3829
02:34:57,841 --> 02:34:54,820
of my goals

3830
02:34:59,850 --> 02:34:57,851
well they and also I've been kind of

3831
02:35:02,671 --> 02:34:59,860
saying this for years if you're a local

3832
02:35:05,100 --> 02:35:02,681
and you have a history in a particular

3833
02:35:07,020 --> 02:35:05,110
location with the local people big

3834
02:35:09,270 --> 02:35:07,030
question and they're willing to talk to

3835
02:35:12,120 --> 02:35:09,280
you and they're willing to go to you for

3836
02:35:13,680 --> 02:35:12,130
help and they're willing to open up if

3837
02:35:15,720 --> 02:35:13,690
you're coming in from the outside and

3838
02:35:17,370 --> 02:35:15,730
trying to establish anything especially

3839
02:35:19,680 --> 02:35:17,380
in a community like around the hip area

3840
02:35:21,060 --> 02:35:19,690
and an adult area where in northern New

3841
02:35:22,801 --> 02:35:21,070
Mexico I mean some of them kind of tent

3842
02:35:25,530 --> 02:35:22,811
a community so when you have with a

3843
02:35:27,091 --> 02:35:25,540
pitchfork it's very difficult for now

3844
02:35:28,770 --> 02:35:27,101
started to go in there and really gain

3845
02:35:31,190 --> 02:35:28,780
any headway and that's that's why I

3846
02:35:33,480 --> 02:35:31,200
think your dad and your now your work

3847
02:35:36,240 --> 02:35:33,490
taking your dad's work and presenting it

3848
02:35:37,540 --> 02:35:36,250
in a concise manner for the first time

3849
02:35:39,969 --> 02:35:37,550
in public

3850
02:35:41,920 --> 02:35:39,979
invaluable and you know my hats off to

3851
02:35:44,230 --> 02:35:41,930
you I really again I want to say did an

3852
02:35:46,360 --> 02:35:44,240
amazing job to your first attempt at

3853
02:35:48,550 --> 02:35:46,370
being a writer okay I wish that my book

3854
02:35:51,639 --> 02:35:48,560
was that good get up and you you really

3855
02:35:53,349 --> 02:35:51,649
did have I mean like every single thing

3856
02:35:55,210 --> 02:35:53,359
that you have in your book you're able

3857
02:35:56,969 --> 02:35:55,220
to go to paper work you're able to go to

3858
02:36:00,179 --> 02:35:56,979
documentation you're able to go to

3859
02:36:02,410 --> 02:36:00,189
conversations that have been established

3860
02:36:04,870 --> 02:36:02,420
and my hats off to you on that because

3861
02:36:07,599 --> 02:36:04,880
there's very few books in this room that

3862
02:36:09,160 --> 02:36:07,609
you can go to almost every fact and

3863
02:36:11,500 --> 02:36:09,170
inhabit backup like that and that's

3864
02:36:14,349 --> 02:36:11,510
really a testament to your to your

3865
02:36:15,880 --> 02:36:14,359
dedication on this thanks Chris I

3866
02:36:17,860 --> 02:36:15,890
appreciate it I think that comes from my

3867
02:36:19,120 --> 02:36:17,870
law enforcement background they turned

3868
02:36:20,710 --> 02:36:19,130
out to make it sound like a police

3869
02:36:22,750 --> 02:36:20,720
report which is kind of hard for them

3870
02:36:24,160 --> 02:36:22,760
yeah now you did a good real good job

3871
02:36:25,599 --> 02:36:24,170
that's what my dad did for a living

3872
02:36:27,400 --> 02:36:25,609
that's what I do for a living if I'm

3873
02:36:29,110 --> 02:36:27,410
gonna put something on the paper I'm

3874
02:36:32,800 --> 02:36:29,120
gonna support you back it up I'm not

3875
02:36:36,040 --> 02:36:32,810
gonna move romanticize it earth spin it

3876
02:36:37,750 --> 02:36:36,050
spin it or you know create good I might

3877
02:36:39,309 --> 02:36:37,760
think it is if there's something that's

3878
02:36:41,530 --> 02:36:39,319
great a lot of this stuff is great the

3879
02:36:43,660 --> 02:36:41,540
book tells you it's great if it's proven

3880
02:36:46,360 --> 02:36:43,670
then it's proven and if it's not then

3881
02:36:47,830 --> 02:36:46,370
it's an art but on I think that's what's

3882
02:36:49,630 --> 02:36:47,840
gotten people in the trouble in the past

3883
02:36:52,630 --> 02:36:49,640
that they kind of just spun things

3884
02:36:54,460 --> 02:36:52,640
without documenting that degree it's one

3885
02:36:55,960 --> 02:36:54,470
of those things once you start lying and

3886
02:36:58,599 --> 02:36:55,970
you can't back it up you have to lie

3887
02:37:00,190 --> 02:36:58,609
more to continue it so I think that's

3888
02:37:03,429 --> 02:37:00,200
what's done a lot of these other guys in

3889
02:37:05,349 --> 02:37:03,439
trouble in the past is they're actually

3890
02:37:06,940 --> 02:37:05,359
they're not correct when they start

3891
02:37:10,330 --> 02:37:06,950
their stories so it just moves downhill

3892
02:37:12,370 --> 02:37:10,340
pretty quick after that also this stuff

3893
02:37:14,860 --> 02:37:12,380
it does have a tendency to weed out sort

3894
02:37:19,080 --> 02:37:14,870
of people they're maybe a little twitchy

3895
02:37:22,030 --> 02:37:19,090
maybe not strong emotionally grounded

3896
02:37:25,630 --> 02:37:22,040
emotionally if there's a wobble in your

3897
02:37:28,660 --> 02:37:25,640
personality or in your energy field if

3898
02:37:30,429 --> 02:37:28,670
you will it's you're gonna even a spin

3899
02:37:33,070 --> 02:37:30,439
wildly out of control at some point and

3900
02:37:35,740 --> 02:37:33,080
that's that's why this subject matter

3901
02:37:38,880 --> 02:37:35,750
I think burns a lot of people out you

3902
02:37:42,040 --> 02:37:38,890
met tom adams for instance and knew tom

3903
02:37:45,580 --> 02:37:42,050
in 99 he disappeared he spent off the

3904
02:37:46,870 --> 02:37:45,590
map 1314 years nobody knows except one

3905
02:37:48,309 --> 02:37:46,880
person that we know of that's been in

3906
02:37:51,160 --> 02:37:48,319
contact with him there's a person that

3907
02:37:52,510 --> 02:37:51,170
actually you know lost it

3908
02:37:54,429 --> 02:37:52,520
and there's other people there's

3909
02:37:58,330 --> 02:37:54,439
examples of that Paul bennewitz at the

3910
02:37:59,950 --> 02:37:58,340
at points was almost driven crazy you

3911
02:38:01,750 --> 02:37:59,960
know won't be driven crazy if we don't

3912
02:38:03,639 --> 02:38:01,760
bring it to an end right here Chris

3913
02:38:05,500 --> 02:38:03,649
Greg Valdez you have a site up yet or

3914
02:38:08,920 --> 02:38:05,510
someplace we can find more of what you

3915
02:38:10,269 --> 02:38:08,930
do it's gonna be Dulce be so calm they

3916
02:38:11,559 --> 02:38:10,279
keep telling me today but it's always

3917
02:38:14,290 --> 02:38:11,569
turns into them tomorrow what do

3918
02:38:16,599 --> 02:38:14,300
facebook.com/ okay we'll set it up we'll

3919
02:38:18,639 --> 02:38:16,609
get a link for you Chris O'Brien you

3920
02:38:20,849 --> 02:38:18,649
have the books talking to herd coming up

3921
02:38:24,040 --> 02:38:20,859
in a couple of months you also have our

3922
02:38:26,500 --> 02:38:24,050
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3923
02:38:29,229 --> 02:38:26,510
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3924
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3925
02:38:38,530 --> 02:38:36,500
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3926
02:38:40,660 --> 02:38:38,540
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3927
02:38:42,580 --> 02:38:40,670
most of it Greg Valdez thank you so much

3928
02:38:44,590 --> 02:38:42,590
for joining us this week on the power

3929
02:38:51,390 --> 02:38:44,600
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3930
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3931
02:39:00,291 --> 02:38:57,391
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3932
02:39:03,280 --> 02:39:00,301
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3933
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